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	<title>Comments on: KOTOR vs Planescape: Steel Cage Deathmatch</title>
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		<title>By: A holiday, a holiday, the first one of the year! Best of 2009. &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A holiday, a holiday, the first one of the year! Best of 2009. &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] KOTOR vs Planescape: Steel Cage Deathmatch [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: KotOREffecT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KotOREffecT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KotOR is one of if not the best RPGs of all time. From unique characters to moving music, to the setting, the romance, and plot twist, one hell of a game! Nothing ever quite moved me the way KotOR did.

For me KotOR is the complete RPG. It did everything right, and everything just fell into place at the right time. It felt like one long epic adventure after it was all said and done. It truly was an experience to be had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KotOR is one of if not the best RPGs of all time. From unique characters to moving music, to the setting, the romance, and plot twist, one hell of a game! Nothing ever quite moved me the way KotOR did.</p>
<p>For me KotOR is the complete RPG. It did everything right, and everything just fell into place at the right time. It felt like one long epic adventure after it was all said and done. It truly was an experience to be had.</p>
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		<title>By: /AFK &#8211; June 21 &#171; Bio Break</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[/AFK &#8211; June 21 &#171; Bio Break]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] pits KOTOR vs. Planescape Torment and asks: who&#8217;s the better [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Darraxus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darraxus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved Planescape and Kotor. Never played FF10. Also a huge fan of NWN, Baldur&#039;s Gate, and the Fallout Series.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Planescape and Kotor. Never played FF10. Also a huge fan of NWN, Baldur&#8217;s Gate, and the Fallout Series.</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a very idiosyncratic and wonderful take on another great storyteller here is WindUpAtheist&#039;s exploration of the dark side of Baldur&#039;s Gate:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17135.0

Personally I&#039;m wanting to see storytelling come to MMOs. AoC&#039;s Tortage is still the best MMO experience I&#039;ve had for storytelling, I&#039;d love to see more like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a very idiosyncratic and wonderful take on another great storyteller here is WindUpAtheist&#8217;s exploration of the dark side of Baldur&#8217;s Gate:</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17135.0" rel="nofollow">http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=17135.0</a></p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m wanting to see storytelling come to MMOs. AoC&#8217;s Tortage is still the best MMO experience I&#8217;ve had for storytelling, I&#8217;d love to see more like that.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I&#039;ve seen a few people mention Mass Effect so I&#039;ll add it to &#039;the list&#039; (and if I really do suck too much, I&#039;ll draft in my husband to do the hard bits :) ).

I have heard good things about The Witcher too, now that you mention it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ve seen a few people mention Mass Effect so I&#8217;ll add it to &#8216;the list&#8217; (and if I really do suck too much, I&#8217;ll draft in my husband to do the hard bits <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>I have heard good things about The Witcher too, now that you mention it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We Fly Spitfires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of the recent games I really loved were Mass Effect, BioShock and Dead Space. I suppose maybe more for the setting and atmosphere than anything else but their story and environment were also excellent.

I&#039;m also looking forward to SW:TOR and FFIV for the story and sense of environment and immersion they could provide. The developers have excellent reputations so we can only hope that they live up to them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the recent games I really loved were Mass Effect, BioShock and Dead Space. I suppose maybe more for the setting and atmosphere than anything else but their story and environment were also excellent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also looking forward to SW:TOR and FFIV for the story and sense of environment and immersion they could provide. The developers have excellent reputations so we can only hope that they live up to them!</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I started Planescape, and got weirded out by the setting and gave up on it.  I still hold it in high regard... it&#039;s just not my flavor.  FFX and KOTOR were indeed brilliant.  I&#039;m also a fan of Kingdom Hearts and KH2, as well as Valkyrie Profile and VP2.  My favorite gaming experiences are with great stories, and to this day, the FF series and Kingdom Hearts are still my favorites.

Now, that said, I still don&#039;t think that sort of strong storytelling is possible or even appropriate in MMOs.  The venue just isn&#039;t right, as MMOs are ostensibly about players interacting and telling their own stories.  Everyone can&#039;t be the Great Hero, and &quot;when everyone is super, no one is&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started Planescape, and got weirded out by the setting and gave up on it.  I still hold it in high regard&#8230; it&#8217;s just not my flavor.  FFX and KOTOR were indeed brilliant.  I&#8217;m also a fan of Kingdom Hearts and KH2, as well as Valkyrie Profile and VP2.  My favorite gaming experiences are with great stories, and to this day, the FF series and Kingdom Hearts are still my favorites.</p>
<p>Now, that said, I still don&#8217;t think that sort of strong storytelling is possible or even appropriate in MMOs.  The venue just isn&#8217;t right, as MMOs are ostensibly about players interacting and telling their own stories.  Everyone can&#8217;t be the Great Hero, and &#8220;when everyone is super, no one is&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s fun seeing other people mention some of my favorite games here, seeing as how many of them are often overlooked. I loved Planescape, and I&#039;m amazed at how it never got as much press or gained as much popularity as Baldur&#039;s Gate or NWN.

The Witcher is one of my favorite story-driven games, mainly because there&#039;s no clear cut sense of right or wrong. It&#039;s all about trying to choose the lesser evil. Seemingly minor choices can have far-reaching, unforeseen consequences. 

Fwiw, I tend to suck at shooters, and did just fine with Mass Effect, except for driving the Mako. But I played it on the 360, and I&#039;ve heard the controls are better on the PC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fun seeing other people mention some of my favorite games here, seeing as how many of them are often overlooked. I loved Planescape, and I&#8217;m amazed at how it never got as much press or gained as much popularity as Baldur&#8217;s Gate or NWN.</p>
<p>The Witcher is one of my favorite story-driven games, mainly because there&#8217;s no clear cut sense of right or wrong. It&#8217;s all about trying to choose the lesser evil. Seemingly minor choices can have far-reaching, unforeseen consequences. </p>
<p>Fwiw, I tend to suck at shooters, and did just fine with Mass Effect, except for driving the Mako. But I played it on the 360, and I&#8217;ve heard the controls are better on the PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethryn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bethryn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you played Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines?  If not, you should really give that a go; I think it&#039;s fairly cheaply available on Steam nowadays.  Fully voiced, a lot of good - and non-archetypal - characters and actually quite a good plot when you get past all the twists.

I&#039;m seconding all the recommendations made by the above commenters, having played most of them now.  NWN2:MOTB in particular has characters of quite some depth (particularly Kaelyn, whose voice actress needs to be found and enticed to work on a lot more games, I might add), which is something most of the NWN series has lacked up until that point (and they didn&#039;t continue in Storm of Zehir sadly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you played Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines?  If not, you should really give that a go; I think it&#8217;s fairly cheaply available on Steam nowadays.  Fully voiced, a lot of good &#8211; and non-archetypal &#8211; characters and actually quite a good plot when you get past all the twists.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seconding all the recommendations made by the above commenters, having played most of them now.  NWN2:MOTB in particular has characters of quite some depth (particularly Kaelyn, whose voice actress needs to be found and enticed to work on a lot more games, I might add), which is something most of the NWN series has lacked up until that point (and they didn&#8217;t continue in Storm of Zehir sadly).</p>
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