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		<title>By: Tamarind</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/some-game-to-remember-some-game-to-forget/#comment-2601</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamarind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so sorry for your loss - I&#039;m thinking of you.

Escapism does, indeed, get a raw deal in the media.  But then &quot;escapist nonsense that makes us forget ourselves&quot; has been the charge directed at various new forms of entertainments down the centuries.  First of all there was the theatre that turned men into women and women into prostitutes, then the novel which made women hysterical, then the television that made us into square-eyed zombies ... and now computer games which make us irresponsible and violent.  It&#039;s weird, actually, to think of the legitimacy conferred on cinema and television just in my life-time.  My grandparents still don&#039;t approve of it in the slighest, but nobody would look askance at anyone for turning on the TV after a long day at work.

Sorry this is a tangent, but I think it&#039;s interesting to look at computer games as part of this trajectory of disapproval, acceptance and validation.  Soon they&#039;ll be an art form and the next big thing will be our social scapegoat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry for your loss &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking of you.</p>
<p>Escapism does, indeed, get a raw deal in the media.  But then &#8220;escapist nonsense that makes us forget ourselves&#8221; has been the charge directed at various new forms of entertainments down the centuries.  First of all there was the theatre that turned men into women and women into prostitutes, then the novel which made women hysterical, then the television that made us into square-eyed zombies &#8230; and now computer games which make us irresponsible and violent.  It&#8217;s weird, actually, to think of the legitimacy conferred on cinema and television just in my life-time.  My grandparents still don&#8217;t approve of it in the slighest, but nobody would look askance at anyone for turning on the TV after a long day at work.</p>
<p>Sorry this is a tangent, but I think it&#8217;s interesting to look at computer games as part of this trajectory of disapproval, acceptance and validation.  Soon they&#8217;ll be an art form and the next big thing will be our social scapegoat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dblade</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dblade]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Condolences here as well, its always hard to lose someone even when expected.

I have no real examples to contribute, but just wanted to wish you and arbitrary well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condolences here as well, its always hard to lose someone even when expected.</p>
<p>I have no real examples to contribute, but just wanted to wish you and arbitrary well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ysharros</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ysharros]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doh! I think it ate my comment! That&#039;ll teach me to mention the Great Old Ones...

&lt;3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! I think it ate my comment! That&#8217;ll teach me to mention the Great Old Ones&#8230;</p>
<p>&lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: jeffo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My condolences to you and your family, Spinks. I experienced the same thing this spring, and it&#039;s not easy. I spent about three weeks away from the computer during my father&#039;s final days, and dealing with the immediate aftermath of his death -- planning a funeral, starting the estate process with my brother and my sister -- it was an emotionally and phsyically draining time. Getting back to WoW when I returned home after that time was a relief, as it provided a great escape when I needed it.

By the way, I agree with you completely about the releasing Crusader souls. There were a number of surprisingly &#039;ugly&#039; quests/acts in Wrath (mutilating bodies, torture, feeding Scourge goo to prisoners) -- blowing Hodir&#039;s horn, &#039;praying&#039; for Tuskarr and releasing Crusaders&#039; spirits are oddly touching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My condolences to you and your family, Spinks. I experienced the same thing this spring, and it&#8217;s not easy. I spent about three weeks away from the computer during my father&#8217;s final days, and dealing with the immediate aftermath of his death &#8212; planning a funeral, starting the estate process with my brother and my sister &#8212; it was an emotionally and phsyically draining time. Getting back to WoW when I returned home after that time was a relief, as it provided a great escape when I needed it.</p>
<p>By the way, I agree with you completely about the releasing Crusader souls. There were a number of surprisingly &#8216;ugly&#8217; quests/acts in Wrath (mutilating bodies, torture, feeding Scourge goo to prisoners) &#8212; blowing Hodir&#8217;s horn, &#8216;praying&#8217; for Tuskarr and releasing Crusaders&#8217; spirits are oddly touching.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an excellent post and observation Spinks.  Nothing to be ashamed of here.  *bows*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post and observation Spinks.  Nothing to be ashamed of here.  *bows*</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone needs some &quot;alone time&quot; here and there.  Gaming can provide that by letting you mentally switch gears.  Often, our subconscious keeps working on things we want to solve, and leaving it alone can prove extremely helpful.

Condolences on your loss.  :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone needs some &#8220;alone time&#8221; here and there.  Gaming can provide that by letting you mentally switch gears.  Often, our subconscious keeps working on things we want to solve, and leaving it alone can prove extremely helpful.</p>
<p>Condolences on your loss.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Professor Beej</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Professor Beej]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I game for escapism and catharsis, yes.  I think that when a game becomes too real in that too many issues come up in-game that make it feel like a job or that I *have* to work toward something, it loses that effect and becomes a stressor equivalent to what I am trying to escape in the first place.  

That&#039;s why I quit WoW this time.  It was taking up way too much time and becoming way too much of a second job in my life to be worth the minimal fun I was having in-game.  

I hope I can find a very casual MMO that lets me play without worry of stress soon.  I hope Champions Online does that.  With planning a wedding for Halloween this year, I need all the catharsis I can get. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I game for escapism and catharsis, yes.  I think that when a game becomes too real in that too many issues come up in-game that make it feel like a job or that I *have* to work toward something, it loses that effect and becomes a stressor equivalent to what I am trying to escape in the first place.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I quit WoW this time.  It was taking up way too much time and becoming way too much of a second job in my life to be worth the minimal fun I was having in-game.  </p>
<p>I hope I can find a very casual MMO that lets me play without worry of stress soon.  I hope Champions Online does that.  With planning a wedding for Halloween this year, I need all the catharsis I can get. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all for the good wishes. I had to think before I hit post on this one. After all, this is a gaming blog and I&#039;m not trying to make people feel uncomfortable.

On the other hand, I think sharing (appropriate :) ) personal experiences is one of the things that makes blogs so compelling, and it gave me an excuse to bring up an interesting topic that we often tend to avoid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the good wishes. I had to think before I hit post on this one. After all, this is a gaming blog and I&#8217;m not trying to make people feel uncomfortable.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think sharing (appropriate <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) personal experiences is one of the things that makes blogs so compelling, and it gave me an excuse to bring up an interesting topic that we often tend to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a thing&#039;s worth quoting, it&#039;s worth quoting wrong :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a thing&#8217;s worth quoting, it&#8217;s worth quoting wrong <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I totally agree. Escapism in any form is something that you have to be pretty disciplined about -- it&#039;s too easy to use books or music or TV or games to avoid doing or thinking about things you need to do.

But there is something liberating about logging into a character and laying aside your &#039;normal&#039; persona for awhile. I think gamers are so wary of negative portrayals that we try not to discuss the lure of escapism, even though we all feel it.

And it can be negative, there&#039;s no doubt about it. But there is more to it than that.

One thing I found amusing is that I was oddly soothed by doing some daily that involved releasing tortured argent crusade souls. It&#039;s kind of silly, but I wonder if counselling in future might be able to make use of this kind of gaming in some way ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I totally agree. Escapism in any form is something that you have to be pretty disciplined about &#8212; it&#8217;s too easy to use books or music or TV or games to avoid doing or thinking about things you need to do.</p>
<p>But there is something liberating about logging into a character and laying aside your &#8216;normal&#8217; persona for awhile. I think gamers are so wary of negative portrayals that we try not to discuss the lure of escapism, even though we all feel it.</p>
<p>And it can be negative, there&#8217;s no doubt about it. But there is more to it than that.</p>
<p>One thing I found amusing is that I was oddly soothed by doing some daily that involved releasing tortured argent crusade souls. It&#8217;s kind of silly, but I wonder if counselling in future might be able to make use of this kind of gaming in some way &#8230;</p>
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