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	<title>Comments on: Twinks, Heirlooms, and Morality</title>
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		<title>By: Bilbobob</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-7361</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand why Blizz finally got rid of twinks only to bring in heirlooms. I think the idea was great for PvE, but it completely destroys the PvP experience for many players (particularly in the lower brackets where they have double the health and hit three times as hard as those who don&#039;t have the items).

I know at least two people who quit the game before hitting level 30 because they had such painful experiences in the battlegrounds (ie being repeatedly 1- or 2-shotted before they could fight back). What incentive do new players have to play if they want to experience PvP, but can&#039;t really begin to enjoy it until they&#039;ve levelled all the way to 80 and then have to grind to get even the basic gear? (A process that could take months if they have a day job.)

Personally, I think heirloom items should either not be allowed in battlegrounds or the enchanting requirements should go up so that they cannot use enchants like twin crusader or +15 Agility on each weapon in the 19 bracket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why Blizz finally got rid of twinks only to bring in heirlooms. I think the idea was great for PvE, but it completely destroys the PvP experience for many players (particularly in the lower brackets where they have double the health and hit three times as hard as those who don&#8217;t have the items).</p>
<p>I know at least two people who quit the game before hitting level 30 because they had such painful experiences in the battlegrounds (ie being repeatedly 1- or 2-shotted before they could fight back). What incentive do new players have to play if they want to experience PvP, but can&#8217;t really begin to enjoy it until they&#8217;ve levelled all the way to 80 and then have to grind to get even the basic gear? (A process that could take months if they have a day job.)</p>
<p>Personally, I think heirloom items should either not be allowed in battlegrounds or the enchanting requirements should go up so that they cannot use enchants like twin crusader or +15 Agility on each weapon in the 19 bracket.</p>
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		<title>By: Garnotte</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-7359</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twinks are definately not cheaters. But i still don&#039;t see the point of playing a twink. I mean there&#039;s 2 key words in pvp. Players and versus. If your opponent can&#039;t fight back then it&#039;s not pvp but pvn. Players versus nothing.

I did play a twink once. I levelled an hunter a couple of years ago (Granule on Mug&#039;Thol) and i twinked him to death using my main. I had often twice as much HP as other players and was able to 2-3 shots them without any trouble.

Was fun for a while ... well was fun for a weekend i would say.

I had more fun doing world pvp with my twink than BG. 

I just had no fun defending a node alone in AB against 3 or 4 players of the opposing faction. There&#039;s no feeling of accomplishment by killing someone who had half of your HP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twinks are definately not cheaters. But i still don&#8217;t see the point of playing a twink. I mean there&#8217;s 2 key words in pvp. Players and versus. If your opponent can&#8217;t fight back then it&#8217;s not pvp but pvn. Players versus nothing.</p>
<p>I did play a twink once. I levelled an hunter a couple of years ago (Granule on Mug&#8217;Thol) and i twinked him to death using my main. I had often twice as much HP as other players and was able to 2-3 shots them without any trouble.</p>
<p>Was fun for a while &#8230; well was fun for a weekend i would say.</p>
<p>I had more fun doing world pvp with my twink than BG. </p>
<p>I just had no fun defending a node alone in AB against 3 or 4 players of the opposing faction. There&#8217;s no feeling of accomplishment by killing someone who had half of your HP.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiznoe</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-3320</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took about a year break from Wow, and when I came back I rolled fresj on a pvp server, its all new to me again, now I am a GOOD pvp warlock, few rogue or hunter scare me, but these heirlooms, they are no where near close to being a LITTLE TWINKED OUT.

  I am as twinked as I can afford to be with quest/crafted/purchased/bg gear as I can get, and I don&#039;t have the slightest chance against these 10-19 bracket heirloom twinks.  Granted I could have better enchants, but still to say that there the equivalent to a pre-heirloom twinked toon, is absurd.

  Personally I feel that allowing the heirloom gear into standard pvp battlegrounds defeats the purpose of pvp all together, now instead of my gear and skill vs. yours, its who&#039;s got the most heirlooms.  Before you could send your alt money/gear but none with those kind of stats.. you had to work to get that high end blue piece, twinking is no longer fun, and although I love the battlegrounds they&#039;re definitely not the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took about a year break from Wow, and when I came back I rolled fresj on a pvp server, its all new to me again, now I am a GOOD pvp warlock, few rogue or hunter scare me, but these heirlooms, they are no where near close to being a LITTLE TWINKED OUT.</p>
<p>  I am as twinked as I can afford to be with quest/crafted/purchased/bg gear as I can get, and I don&#8217;t have the slightest chance against these 10-19 bracket heirloom twinks.  Granted I could have better enchants, but still to say that there the equivalent to a pre-heirloom twinked toon, is absurd.</p>
<p>  Personally I feel that allowing the heirloom gear into standard pvp battlegrounds defeats the purpose of pvp all together, now instead of my gear and skill vs. yours, its who&#8217;s got the most heirlooms.  Before you could send your alt money/gear but none with those kind of stats.. you had to work to get that high end blue piece, twinking is no longer fun, and although I love the battlegrounds they&#8217;re definitely not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-3218</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know about oppressive, but it is strange to get items that are specifically intended for alts. They do remove gear considerations from levelling though - you never have to worry where your next weapon is coming from since the heirloom always matches your level.

If gear dependencies in MMOs irritate you then they&#039;re brilliant. I mean, as long as you don&#039;t mind getting a character to max level and grinding a bit first (there&#039;s something in that whole equation that doesn&#039;t really work, I think).

It is going to be odd with Cataclysm (I half wonder if they&#039;ll remove the xp bonus from heirloom gear before that). Why would you want to level past the new content so fast?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about oppressive, but it is strange to get items that are specifically intended for alts. They do remove gear considerations from levelling though &#8211; you never have to worry where your next weapon is coming from since the heirloom always matches your level.</p>
<p>If gear dependencies in MMOs irritate you then they&#8217;re brilliant. I mean, as long as you don&#8217;t mind getting a character to max level and grinding a bit first (there&#8217;s something in that whole equation that doesn&#8217;t really work, I think).</p>
<p>It is going to be odd with Cataclysm (I half wonder if they&#8217;ll remove the xp bonus from heirloom gear before that). Why would you want to level past the new content so fast?</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-3215</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing about heirloom items is that they&#039;re kinda oppressive. They seem specifically designed to twink and remove any thought or concept behind the leveling process. I don&#039;t really understand Blizzard&#039;s reasoning behind them all.

Will certainly be strange when Cataclysm comes out and suddenly millions of new players are starting alts and running around with heirloom items, super twinked. Is the new content really designed to be played that way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about heirloom items is that they&#8217;re kinda oppressive. They seem specifically designed to twink and remove any thought or concept behind the leveling process. I don&#8217;t really understand Blizzard&#8217;s reasoning behind them all.</p>
<p>Will certainly be strange when Cataclysm comes out and suddenly millions of new players are starting alts and running around with heirloom items, super twinked. Is the new content really designed to be played that way?</p>
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		<title>By: Can you twink in WAR? « Druchii Journal</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/twinks-heirlooms-and-morality/#comment-3214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can you twink in WAR? « Druchii Journal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by: Anromir  On: Sep 18, 2009 at 01:20pm     Just read an interesting article by Spinks about twinking in MMOs. While most of the ideas discussed surround whether twinking is cheating or not, it got me thinking [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by: Anromir  On: Sep 18, 2009 at 01:20pm     Just read an interesting article by Spinks about twinking in MMOs. While most of the ideas discussed surround whether twinking is cheating or not, it got me thinking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scarybooster</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grabbed on piece of heirloom for leveling only. I&#039;m not much of a PvPer and I don&#039;t care for grinding. I love raiding 1 time a week but not for items or emblems. I do think heirlooms are a great part of the game and will be very helpful for alts when Cataclysm comes out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grabbed on piece of heirloom for leveling only. I&#8217;m not much of a PvPer and I don&#8217;t care for grinding. I love raiding 1 time a week but not for items or emblems. I do think heirlooms are a great part of the game and will be very helpful for alts when Cataclysm comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could see it. Imagine if you had no interest in endgame raiding, or dailies, or arena, or being pressured to do whatever the latest PvE content is and really just enjoyed playing in battlegrounds with other people who liked to do that also.

So why not stop at the endpoint for a bg bracket where your class is strong, challenge yourself to get the best gear possible, and spend your time in PvP in the knowledge that you won&#039;t have to keep chasing the gear progression any more? There&#039;s probably some stuff to do with being uber in the bracket too but I have a lot of raiding friends who have twinked out alts to chill out for PvP with.

I haven&#039;t actually grabbed any heirloom stuff myself because the only alts I cared about were all at level 70 when Wrath hit and it just didn&#039;t seem worth it for 10 levels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could see it. Imagine if you had no interest in endgame raiding, or dailies, or arena, or being pressured to do whatever the latest PvE content is and really just enjoyed playing in battlegrounds with other people who liked to do that also.</p>
<p>So why not stop at the endpoint for a bg bracket where your class is strong, challenge yourself to get the best gear possible, and spend your time in PvP in the knowledge that you won&#8217;t have to keep chasing the gear progression any more? There&#8217;s probably some stuff to do with being uber in the bracket too but I have a lot of raiding friends who have twinked out alts to chill out for PvP with.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t actually grabbed any heirloom stuff myself because the only alts I cared about were all at level 70 when Wrath hit and it just didn&#8217;t seem worth it for 10 levels.</p>
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		<title>By: wiqd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never saw the infatuation with keeping characters at 19 or 29 or 39 or whatever. I see the benefit in twinking because while it&#039;s nice to experience the game the first time through, on your 5th go around, you just want to get through it. 

Normally I give myself enough money to get bags and that&#039;s it. I sell everything I get as I level and never buy from the auction house. By the time I&#039;m max level I usually have a bunch of gold and good enough gear to hit the big instances, but I don&#039;t often buy stuff. I haven&#039;t even bought any heirloom stuff.

I dunno ... I just can&#039;t grasp the concept of keeping a character at someplace below max level. I guess it goes with wanting to &quot;PWN&quot; people because you have &quot;awesomesauce&quot; gear at that level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never saw the infatuation with keeping characters at 19 or 29 or 39 or whatever. I see the benefit in twinking because while it&#8217;s nice to experience the game the first time through, on your 5th go around, you just want to get through it. </p>
<p>Normally I give myself enough money to get bags and that&#8217;s it. I sell everything I get as I level and never buy from the auction house. By the time I&#8217;m max level I usually have a bunch of gold and good enough gear to hit the big instances, but I don&#8217;t often buy stuff. I haven&#8217;t even bought any heirloom stuff.</p>
<p>I dunno &#8230; I just can&#8217;t grasp the concept of keeping a character at someplace below max level. I guess it goes with wanting to &#8220;PWN&#8221; people because you have &#8220;awesomesauce&#8221; gear at that level.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do know I&#039;ve seen hunters and rogues in the low level bg who seemed properly twinked out (maybe they were doing it to level to 19 before turning off xp), and as a new character with some quest greens, anyone with heirlooms is going to be fairly twinked in comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know I&#8217;ve seen hunters and rogues in the low level bg who seemed properly twinked out (maybe they were doing it to level to 19 before turning off xp), and as a new character with some quest greens, anyone with heirlooms is going to be fairly twinked in comparison.</p>
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