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	<title>Comments on: Dragon Age: So, what did you do at Redcliffe Castle?</title>
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		<title>By: motzerator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dont like all those strange decisions. i am here at redcliff to get the blood mage ability. 

like in other situations in the game i dont know what to do because i have no information about the benefits for my character. 

I am not there to save anyone from anything, i am doing what i am always doing in rpg style games, trying to powerlevel my char. i think i will go for the demon that asshole has the ability i need. 

i hope i dont miss some loot if i go to the mages tower later i really hate such decisions. i am still low level becauese i need that ability befor i can level up :) so i want to go there fast.

how much more fun did i have with oblivion and fallout III?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont like all those strange decisions. i am here at redcliff to get the blood mage ability. </p>
<p>like in other situations in the game i dont know what to do because i have no information about the benefits for my character. </p>
<p>I am not there to save anyone from anything, i am doing what i am always doing in rpg style games, trying to powerlevel my char. i think i will go for the demon that asshole has the ability i need. </p>
<p>i hope i dont miss some loot if i go to the mages tower later i really hate such decisions. i am still low level becauese i need that ability befor i can level up <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  so i want to go there fast.</p>
<p>how much more fun did i have with oblivion and fallout III?</p>
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		<title>By: Good, Evil, and other Genre Conventions &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Good, Evil, and other Genre Conventions &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 06:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I murdered the child in Redcliffe (in Dragon Age) it was because I was saving the world from a worse evil. If that’s not heroic [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I murdered the child in Redcliffe (in Dragon Age) it was because I was saving the world from a worse evil. If that’s not heroic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zurcas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i cant find isolde after chossing to sacrafice her in the dialogue. i talk to bann teagen (the in game dude in the hall)and he tells me to talk to isolde when i have made my decision which would be great cept i cant find her HELP!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i cant find isolde after chossing to sacrafice her in the dialogue. i talk to bann teagen (the in game dude in the hall)and he tells me to talk to isolde when i have made my decision which would be great cept i cant find her HELP!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Demonecus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demonecus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[POSSIBLE SPOILER:
I took a different route before getting to the redcliffe castle. So far I&#039;ve been to all the other cities first and helped Jowan escape so my only options to help Lady Isolde is to pretty much kill her by allowing Jowan to use blood magic to get me to the fade. Unfortunately since I have already been to the mages guild I do not have the choice of going back to get lyrium. I do however remember that a dwarf in Orzammar would sell me raw lyrium for 50 gold and was wondering if anyone has tried that to gain access to the fade without having to let Jowan use blood magic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POSSIBLE SPOILER:<br />
I took a different route before getting to the redcliffe castle. So far I&#8217;ve been to all the other cities first and helped Jowan escape so my only options to help Lady Isolde is to pretty much kill her by allowing Jowan to use blood magic to get me to the fade. Unfortunately since I have already been to the mages guild I do not have the choice of going back to get lyrium. I do however remember that a dwarf in Orzammar would sell me raw lyrium for 50 gold and was wondering if anyone has tried that to gain access to the fade without having to let Jowan use blood magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His mother annoyed the hell of me from start.  I wanted to smack her second I met her.  As a result, my choices were rather twisted.

I allowed the mother to sacrifice herself using Jowan&#039;s Blood Magic so I could enter the Fade and encounter the demon within.  Once there, I negotiated with the demon to leave the boy alone for the time being, but it could come back and &quot;claim&quot; him at a later date. :)

Deal done.  No muss, no fuss...except for the fact that there&#039;s a dead mom and a kid who is going to eventually end up as an abomination.  But hey...I got what I wanted in the end.

Looking back on it, I think I chose the most evil of all paths possible.

I feel dirty now. ;)

Jason (resident drunken idiot of Channel Massive)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His mother annoyed the hell of me from start.  I wanted to smack her second I met her.  As a result, my choices were rather twisted.</p>
<p>I allowed the mother to sacrifice herself using Jowan&#8217;s Blood Magic so I could enter the Fade and encounter the demon within.  Once there, I negotiated with the demon to leave the boy alone for the time being, but it could come back and &#8220;claim&#8221; him at a later date. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Deal done.  No muss, no fuss&#8230;except for the fact that there&#8217;s a dead mom and a kid who is going to eventually end up as an abomination.  But hey&#8230;I got what I wanted in the end.</p>
<p>Looking back on it, I think I chose the most evil of all paths possible.</p>
<p>I feel dirty now. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jason (resident drunken idiot of Channel Massive)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyff</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually Kids are likely to be taken to Hogwarts School of Wichcraft and Wizardry if their parents are Mages.]]></description>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basically it&#039;s not good storytelling to set up a Sophie&#039;s Choice dilemma and then provide an easy way out. (You can do that if you set it up to be a puzzle with one &#039;correct&#039; answer but I think they intended a genuine moral dilemma here.)

There should have been more of a penalty for going to the Circle -- something to make the player stop and think and weigh up the options. A lot of people assumed that there would be an inbuilt time penalty for taking that long, on the grounds that everywhere else they appear, you need to deal with demons quickly and decisively. (The fact they took over the tower in your absence should be some kind of warning.) 

Anyhow, if everyone picks the same choice on their /second/ play through, you can be sure the choices weren&#039;t weighted equally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically it&#8217;s not good storytelling to set up a Sophie&#8217;s Choice dilemma and then provide an easy way out. (You can do that if you set it up to be a puzzle with one &#8216;correct&#8217; answer but I think they intended a genuine moral dilemma here.)</p>
<p>There should have been more of a penalty for going to the Circle &#8212; something to make the player stop and think and weigh up the options. A lot of people assumed that there would be an inbuilt time penalty for taking that long, on the grounds that everywhere else they appear, you need to deal with demons quickly and decisively. (The fact they took over the tower in your absence should be some kind of warning.) </p>
<p>Anyhow, if everyone picks the same choice on their /second/ play through, you can be sure the choices weren&#8217;t weighted equally.</p>
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		<title>By: Hatch</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPOILERS

This one was really dark, but the decisions wasn&#039;t that hard for me, since it seemed clear that the entire disaster was the mother&#039;s fault (this is exactly why children are taken away from their parents if they are mages!).  The only thing that gave me pause about sacrificing her was that the Blood Mage could have been lying, but I had talked to him enough that I didn&#039;t think he&#039;d betray us on this one.

I didn&#039;t think there was time to get the mages involved, especially since I hadn&#039;t yet gone to the tower, so assumed I would have to do a lengthly quest for them before I came back, if they could even help me at all.  The problem in Redcliffe simply seemed to urgent for me to wait.  What if the kid killed again?]]></description>
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<p>This one was really dark, but the decisions wasn&#8217;t that hard for me, since it seemed clear that the entire disaster was the mother&#8217;s fault (this is exactly why children are taken away from their parents if they are mages!).  The only thing that gave me pause about sacrificing her was that the Blood Mage could have been lying, but I had talked to him enough that I didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d betray us on this one.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think there was time to get the mages involved, especially since I hadn&#8217;t yet gone to the tower, so assumed I would have to do a lengthly quest for them before I came back, if they could even help me at all.  The problem in Redcliffe simply seemed to urgent for me to wait.  What if the kid killed again?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamarind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamarind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link - it&#039;s fascinating reading, actually.  I didn&#039;t find it that much of a moral dilemma either, really, although I did enjoy the story. Am I allowed to leave spoilers in your comments section?  I mean it was either kill the kid, let the mother sacrifice herself or go and ask the circle of magi for help, thus saving both.  I don&#039;t really think something can be considered a dilemma if there&#039;s one route that&#039;s so obviously better than the others?  Or did I miss something?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link &#8211; it&#8217;s fascinating reading, actually.  I didn&#8217;t find it that much of a moral dilemma either, really, although I did enjoy the story. Am I allowed to leave spoilers in your comments section?  I mean it was either kill the kid, let the mother sacrifice herself or go and ask the circle of magi for help, thus saving both.  I don&#8217;t really think something can be considered a dilemma if there&#8217;s one route that&#8217;s so obviously better than the others?  Or did I miss something?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*** SPOILERS! ***

I trusted Jowan to keep an eye on the kid while I went to the mage tower for help. When I got back, I sent Morrigan (spelling?) into the fade, where she kicked ass while chewing gum.

So kid is saved, but the Arl is still in a coma. 

But the codex tells me Isolde (?the kid&#039;s mom, I&#039;m terrible with names) sacrificed herself to save her son. WTH? She did not! Why&#039;d I go to all this trouble if history gets it wrong!? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** SPOILERS! ***</p>
<p>I trusted Jowan to keep an eye on the kid while I went to the mage tower for help. When I got back, I sent Morrigan (spelling?) into the fade, where she kicked ass while chewing gum.</p>
<p>So kid is saved, but the Arl is still in a coma. </p>
<p>But the codex tells me Isolde (?the kid&#8217;s mom, I&#8217;m terrible with names) sacrificed herself to save her son. WTH? She did not! Why&#8217;d I go to all this trouble if history gets it wrong!? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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