Comments on: What would it take for you to boot someone from a group?

By: Jujee

Jujee — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:18:19 +0000

I vote to boot people who don’t try. If they are not bothered, then I tell them it’s not a charity.
Basically I expect people to buff themsleves and others if their class can. Mage replenishment is nice but not compulsory. I expect over 1k DPS in heroic. I expect warlocks who lifetap to be able to regain that back on their own. I don’t tolerate the behaviour of ADHD children.
If 70% of people play their part in a group, then the 30% who doesn’t don’t need to be there leeching.
Unfortunately in groups where 2 people are slack, only the worst can be booted. If 3 or more people fail in their role then it’s time for me to leave.

By: Eosphoros

Eosphoros — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:49:59 +0000

I’ve only played WoW for half a year. When I started gearing for heroics, my guild and many pugs I was in showed startling amounts of patience and willingness to help me learn. I’ve really tried to get my DPS up for some months now, and due to the kind nature of a lot of players, it’s getting there.

It’s unthinkable for me not to do the same thing to people who now are where I was a couple of months ago. You could make a reference to Kant’s Categorical Imperative or something here, but really, it shouldn’t be needed.

We treat people with the same courtesy we ourselves want to be treated. Finishing instances in a short time is merely one of many objectives we have while playing. Building a warm and stable community is another. D’uh’.

– E

By: Gentle As A Chainsaw « Wild Growth

Gentle As A Chainsaw « Wild Growth — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:20:19 +0000

[...] that tossed about casual cruelty towards others, the pleas for tolerance of players who might not share your super-leet DPS, and the groups that had no idea what they were doing and, moreover, didn’t care to [...]

By: On Elitism at Righteous Orbs

On Elitism at Righteous Orbs — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:47:44 +0000

[...] little while ago spinks put up a post talking about what it would take to boot somebody from a group. Spinks observed that she (you are a girl, right Spinks?) was fine with booting people for being [...]

By: Chastity

Chastity — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:57:04 +0000

I don’t think it’s dickish to boot somebody for underperforming. I think it’s dickish to boot somebody who isn’t underperforming so that you can make a big deal out of how totally hardcore you are.

If somebody’s doing 800 DPS and it’s slowing the group down, sure, boot them. If somebody’s doing 1500 DPS while the rest of the group is doing 5000, who the hell cares? You don’t actually need the damage, all booting them will do is hold up the run.

By: Chastity

Chastity — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:40:24 +0000

I’d absolutely defend your right to boot somebody for pulling 800DPS, I just suspect that the reason you were unwilling to do so is that a lot of people out there are too eager to boot people for being merely adequate.

By: Dblade

Dblade — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:23:33 +0000

Well in FFXI experience I boot players for:

-poor gear. It isn’t hard to get decent stuff. Show up with empty slots in FFXI and it isn’t just less DPS, its a lot less.

-poor skill. Not so much poor as in “having a bad day” or “Newbie learning” but poor as in “Not trying.” if you are a level 40 paladin, you should by now at least know you do more than voke every 30 seconds.

-missing abilities. This one newbie or not, you show up with no utsusemi: ni as a ninja at 37, or no refresh or erase as a healer, you get booted.

-constant afking. Even if it’s justified by taking care of the kid, you shouldn’t be seeking and trying to play in group if you cant give it undivided attention, with occasional breaks.

-being an idiot. Racist, bipolar, willfully clueless, or doing stuff for the lulz.

Yeah you feel bad, but unfortunately in any group based activity, all you need is one person to make 5 others fail.

By: ZachPruckowski

ZachPruckowski — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:53:30 +0000

It’s actually time-based, not boss-based. Something like 5 minutes before you can kick someone (which, for a good group means around the first boss).

By: spinks

spinks — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:24:11 +0000

OK, this advice is coming a bit late for you then, but the absolute easiest way to manage the defence cap while levelling 70-80 is make liberal use of crafted gear.

The cobalt set and tempered saronite are great tanking gear for their level. Also I don’t think you really need to worry about being crit too much in normal instances.

By: Dreador

Dreador — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:04:50 +0000

As a tank it was getting harder to stay defense capped as each level, the rating became less and less. So after gemming up my t6 level epics with green 12 def gems, I had to resort to leveling blues from instances and quests around the time of running non-heroic Old Kingdom.