Looking for that magic compass

jack_compass Which instance should I go to next, magic compass?

There are lots of different types of quests available in quest-based games. Quests where you have to kill things, quests to collect things, sightseeing or exploring quests, dungeon quests, holiday quests, daily quests, pvp quests; and that’s just a short example. Designers use quests to encourage players to try  just about every type of content in the game, and they’re a very effective way of steering people towards places, zones, or content that is appropriate for their level. We usually call these particular quests – the ones which simply send you from one area to another – breadcrumb quests. If you follow the trail of breadcrumbs, you’ll get to where you need to be.

Much like a magic compass really. You should be able to log in, check your current quest log (or look around you to find new quests if it is empty) and get a bunch of ideas on where to go next.

And where the magic compass doesn’t quite work out, maybe because of changes in the game since the original quest was put in, what then? That’s where having other players around is supposed to fill in any gaps, in theory at least. They should tell you where a quest that sends you off to grind an outdated reputation is a waste of your time, or when the level requirements of an instance have changed so that you’re now over geared for it when you get the quest. While this is great for people who play with friends or in busy guilds, a lot of players really don’t have this type of advice on tap.

I was thinking about this due to experiences in two different games recently:

In LOTRO, I logged into my character and just …. didn’t feel like doing any more quests in Moria. It isn’t that I hadn’t enjoyed them, just the very slow pace (it took me an hour to do a single quest on one occasion, it’s not a horrid thing in itself but I felt as though I was never going to get out of Moria) was getting me down. I knew I could run more skirmishes, the breadcrumb quests for those which came with the new expansion were great. I knew I could run some holiday quests, again the breadcrumb quests there was fine, but those gave no xp. It was only when I remembered Arb telling me that she thought 58 was about the right level to go try some of the questing outside Lorien that I thought to head to a new zone to shake off the lethargy. And having the sky back over my head did the trick for me, it was exactly the change of scenery and pace that I was looking for.

But the in game magic compass hadn’t gotten around to sending me there yet, it was tuned to the Moria expansion and had expected me to do some more quests there first.

In WoW, I’ve run heroic instances with players who really would have been benefitted from running a few more of the normal level 80 instances before hopping into the heroic dungeon finder. Especially the newer instances which give great rewards on normal as well as heroic mode. And when I say benefitted, I mean we totally carried them – I don’t mind this if the group is fine to clear the instance, but I also wish I could get those players to listen to me when I play magic compass and suggest where I think they’d be better to go next for some practice/ gear in case the next group isn’t as nice. I think what is happening is that people (not unreasonably) assume that the random dungeon finder is a kind of breadcrumb quest or magic compass that will throw them into appropriate content. That’s almost but not quite true – it does some gear checking but not anything in depth. It won’t tell a player where the easiest upgrades for them might be found or suggest, ‘Hey, I see you never ran Nexus as a healer before but you are queuing as one now, want to try it on normal mode first? Or how about Trial of the Champion normal, there’s a great trinket there you might like?’

Not only that but when you hit 80, suddenly a lot of new instances are open to a player in WoW. All the old level 80 instances on normal modes, the new ones on normal mode, and probably the old ones on heroic as well. That’s actually a lot of possible tactics to try to learn at once if you let the random dungeon finder pick for you. It’s a random compass, not a magic one. So how exactly should a new player know the doing the old instances on normal mode is a great way to learn them and get initial upgrades, doing the new ones on normal one gives great upgrades even above the old heroics, and running old heroics gives better badge rewards and a different set of possible upgrades? Not to mention the various level 80 dungeon quests which are easy to miss if you are levelling fast and skipping zones.

I don’t know the answer to that one. But if a game offers magic compasses all the way through, it’s not surprising if players get used to having them available and expect any new content-finding tools to show a bit of smarts as well. Yes, it’s a lot of upgrading to do every time new content is put in – these types of tutorials and pointers would be an ideal candidate for player generated content. Us players are great at generating guides and advising new players on what to do and where to go.

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6 thoughts on “Looking for that magic compass

  1. You make a valid point: Breadcrumb quests are great. As are quest helper pointers/arrows and all that.

    However, we tend to get soft, and we get set on rails, on a guided bus tour for seniors. They are directly countering free exploration, player communication and also player creativity. Players indeed have an expectation to get guided around instead of going out to search for new quests themselves once they got used too much to the breadcrumbs. Just like this bird that has been fed by my grandma so much that he rather croaks before her window for food than looking for food himself. He does not move one inch till he got fed, just amazing. Still, some breadcrumb quests are needed. Moria could use some more for instance.

    This is basically the crux – Kaplan held a speech two Blizzcons ago about quest guided design. There is always the danger to babysit the player too much.

  2. Why should they bother to go normal instances?
    Or read the “player generated guides” you mentioned?
    They were exactly where they meant to be: in a group that was ready to carry them trough a heroic.

    Until YOU start kicking them for doing less damage than the HEALER, there is no reason for them to go anywhere else.

    BTW on one run I made 42% of the damage. In blue gear. When I suggested to kick the 600!!!! DPS rogue they told it’s not his fault, he has just much worse gear than me. They didn’t even bother to inspect before they told that nonsense.

  3. I am pretty sure Blizzard didn’t think about this issue when they came up with this system, and it will be fun to see if they plan to do something about it, and if they do, how. This is mostly a social engineering issue though, and those are hard to code around.

    The LFG system also has a very positive attitude on the skill vs gear issue. It doesn’t seem to care much about gear at all, as I found out on heroic HoR a few times.

  4. No, Blizzard can easily code around this stuff. Remember the Black Temple progression? Why can’t players be chugging through easier instances before hitting tougher ones? As Spinks says…

    “Not only that but when you hit 80, suddenly a lot of new instances are open to a player in WoW. All the old level 80 instances on normal modes, the new ones on normal mode, and probably the old ones on heroic as well.”

    That’s too much at once, and there’s no reason you can’t be forced to run the normal instance twice before running it in heroic, eg, or to have run the Lokim quest line before hitting the Halls of Lightening, etc. I just ran a random heroic (Violet Hold) with a GS of 2900 with only one other member less than 4k. And why wouldn’t I? The current system *rewards* me for running this stuff (not that we had any trouble). And I got two purple upgrades from one instance. Crazy. Reward more intelligently, Blizzard, not for making sure everyone’s well geared and 80 in plenty of time for the expansion.

    Really, in the days of AdWords, we can’t program a system that queues people of like gear into similar instances in a good, clean, appropriate progression? I’m annoyed enough that I haven’t seen more than one or two random PUGs with someone from my server, which is lame. The way Blizzard has lazily trashed the social aspects of servers along with instance progression with random LFG really is inexcusable.

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