Comments on: On rewarding tanks and healers

By: Kring

Kring — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:20:59 +0000

This Sunday at 9 pm I signed up on my tank together with a guild healer for a random heroic. We were zoned into PoS. One of the 3 other people was a paladin who was really surprised that he was chosen as DD although he signed up for heal/DD.

Then, some time later when a DD had to go it took the tool about one minute to find a new DD. It even estimated a wait time of about 38 seconds although we had a tank and a healer.

That means, basically, that there was not a single DD in the queue. Otherwise we would have gotten one instantaneously.

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By: jeffo

jeffo — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:08:07 +0000

I have to ask: what’s the difference between waiting in the queue for 15-30 minutes and standing in Dalaran (or Shattrath before that) and trolling trade chat for 40 minutes for a tank or healer? The system seems a heck of a lot faster now, even if it’s not quite as instant as it was the first few days when everyone and his uncle was trying to get cheesy achievements and pets.

By: YuriPup

YuriPup — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:50:08 +0000

As a prot warrior (36K HP or so–amazing how fast that number is going up lately) I feel quite bribed when I queue right now.

I guess I am weird, I just queue up solo, willing to lead. I am in an instances 15 seconds later. The first time I queued as a DPSer I thought the tool was broken.

I take advantage of the 10 minute+ queue time as DPS. I have been spending myself into the poor house with the gear upgrades I have been churning lately. I tank my Frost badge run and then do the tournament group dailies (TFB, BBC, Kraken, if its offered) and then queue as DPS.

The queue time lets me bang out the rest of the dailies, giving me the gold I need for enchants and the like (I really need to cash in my Stone Keepers and buy and sell more epic gems…)

Roll achievements would be darned cool–though I am not sure how I would feel on my warrior not being able to get the healing one or feel about gearing up in 3 sets as a paladin.

By: Aberron

Aberron — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:24:57 +0000

Bribing healers and tanks would cause massive drama. I don’t need it and don’t want it, I’ll heal anyway.

Great DPS are great. I don’t want great DPS to heal, I fail at DPS, we need each other. Bribing bad DPS into becoming bad tanks or bad healers is all kinds of worse.

Also there are more tanks than raid spots already. Average tanks should still expect a spot in theory but they can’t all get one as it is.

@Kring
Hmm, maybe I don’t leverage my scarcity as well as I might

By: Tamarind

Tamarind — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:09 +0000

I would like a selection of healer-appropriate titles – Tam the Masochist and Tam the Self-Righteous would cover most bases I think…

But, yes, I agree with you entirely, and I like the analogy – ultimately tanks and healers *choose* to be tanks and healers, and that, for me, is where it ends.

By: spinks

spinks — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:30:57 +0000

That’s also true, although with the increase of dps checks, we don’t actually want all the more motivated players to be tanking and healing. Being great dps also seems harder to me than being a great tank or healer, it’s not always obvious how to improve.

But there is still an issue there of supply and demand, and keeping the customer base happy with regular instance runs rather than having to wait 15-30 mins in the queue.

By: Kring

Kring — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:17:07 +0000

On my realm you’ll sometimes see someone offering in trade “I’ll tank random heroics, 50g/30 minutes”. Maybe the solution is as easy as that? If you sign up as tank for the first time, you’ll get 2 EoF and your 33g as everybody. If you sing up again you’ll get 2 EoT and 100g instead of the 16g a dps or heal gets. The tool could even automatically adjust that based on the need.

By: spinks

spinks — Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:12:27 +0000

Server communities are a bit different these days, I think. I wouldn’t even know who the main tanks were of most of the raiding guilds on ours, and favoured alts will be just as good for tanking heroics. So I don’t really think I’d expect most people to know the tanks on their server so much right now.