> I wont think twice about it because I probably wont ever
> group with you again.

Very mature reasoning.

Put it this way. Blizzard has a great loot system in place. You can only need on items you can actually use. If Blizzard decides to limit need on spec classifications, then so be it. All that will do is remove more BOP gear out of circulation. More specific “need” qualifications = more greed rolls = more vendor / disenchant = less developed off specs. But it will also do away with strife caused by players sense of entitlement.

In short. Im in a PUG and I can need on something I need with my dual spec, im going to need it. I wont think twice about it because I probably wont ever group with you again. Thats the beauty of PUGs. Now if its a guild mate, thats a different scenario. Those players I will group with again.

Anyway, it’s not about lack of respect for someone who has a view that’s different from mine. Many of my friends disagree with me politically and that doesn’t stop me from being friends with them. I simply took umbrage that her reasoning, by her own admission, boiled down to, “I’m tired of ToC and I didn’t want to run it anymore, so I took the item.” Her justifications seemed only to complement the desire to just take the item and get it all over with.

At this point, though, I’m withholding further judgment until Spinks makes her post on loot philosophy. There’s little point in debating it beyond this point if all we’re doing is speculating on how she typically deals with loot.

It’s all fair game in 5mans. Especially normals. With no lockout, you can farm till your eyes bleed and you finally get the item you wanted/needed.

With Blizzard having put in the deserter debuff on 5mans, there’s no incentive on leaving the group when someone’s declaring that they’d like a specific item. Everyone’s time is just as valuable as the next person’s, but just because someone queued as a tank/healer, it shouldn’t give them exclusive rights to every item that they can use right now.

By queuing as my main spec, I’m trying to help the run out and keep things flowing. It’s not because my offspec isn’t geared, or I’m not as good at it. It’s because it’s the role I’m most comfortable with using if things go south.

If I’m asked to heal in a raid, I make it clear that I’m rolling on dps gear. If they don’t like it, they can leave, or find another healer.

I find it amusing how many people have “lost respect” for the author because his views don’t agree with yours. What if someone else you “respected” had a different view to yours on abortion/gun control/healthcare reform/choose your topic of choice? Would you suddenly lose respect for them? If you respect someone, you’ll also respect their own views. You can agree to disagree and leave it at that. Instead, many of you have chosen to rebuke the author because of his views. That shows that you never respected him and shows a lack of maturity. Funnily enough, the author has shown that they respect your view and hasn’t decide to flame you for your thoughts on the topic.

(Sorry for the long post.)

I understand when you’re on cutting edge content, giving gear to people who are using it is important. The problem is that this is not even a heroic instance. Spinks shows up and makes the run easier by overgearing it and in turn gets a chance at the loot. That is the only piece she needed and wouldn’t even be there helping.

Would people be as upset about this if she was rolling for a DPS item? Would you get all up in arms if you were the tank and she rolled on a DPS item?

When I first played WoW as a Druid, back when level 40 was “high level” and most of us were pretty new to MMOs none of these expectations existed. Need and Greed were concepts imported from Everquest – I don’t even think they were in the game as options, they were simply things people said in party chat when stuff dropped.

Hybrids rolled on everything they could use.

You see if we hadn’t we wouldn’t have been hybrids, we’d have been healbots. As a Druid I rolled on healer loot which everyone expected and I rolled on “Rogue loot” which always annoyed the Rogues.

It only really settled into main spec prio on my server around autumn 2007 and I never quite saw the point.

Free for all actually works better as a system because tank prio means tanks finish collecting gear faster and stop tanking, creating tank crises. Likewise for healers. You end up with well-geared healers turning up in crappy blue/green dps sets as dps so we can have the uncontested right to roll on dps stuff. Then the crappy blue/green healer rolls need on the dps trinket we wanted anyway. Meh.

You clicked Need because you are tired of the instance and decided that your desire never to run ToC again was more important than someone else’s time. How hard would it really have been to just ask first if people mind a need roll on the item? It takes 5 seconds to type that out and wait for an answer (and only the tank’s answer is relevant on a piece of tanking gear). That the tank apparently didn’t want the item in this case anyway is irrelevant to the overall point.

The random number generator doesn’t care which player is more deserving. I just think it’s a much neater way to decide than having long drawn out arguments in group, especially with people from different servers who might have different customs anyway.

Some people don’t have sympathy for taking loot away from someone just because they’re not in the right spec at the moment. I don’t have sympathy for people who don’t get to roll on something because they aren’t of the right spec. I can’t say how many times I’ve passed up a tanking item because the actual freakin’ tank happened to need it.

It still chaps my hide that a tank had the temerity to roll need on (and win) the Hilt. If he wanted the Hilt, he shouldn’t have been tanking.