Thought for the Day: On limited attempts

Latest raid news this week is that Blizzard has scrapped the notion of limited boss attempts in normal mode ICC. Previously, a raid was only allowed a certain number of tries on some bosses before the boss despawned for that week.

From now on, you can wipe as many times as you like and the boss will still be there laughing at you.

Why scrap that now in particular?

Guesswork says that it was failing to work as intended. The more hardcore guilds ran 10 man raids and/ or alt raids to spend more time learning the fights before going in with their main 25 man raid.  I’ve heard of one guild who all switched both server and faction in order to reset their number of attempts for the week. So rather than encouraging progression guilds to raid fewer hours but to raid smarter, it seems to have wound people up into running many more raids than usual.

Limited attempts might have seemed like a good idea in theory, but when they  are too limited and even an unlucky disconnect can screw up an attempt, it puts a lot of extra stress on a raid group.

However, the main issue with the limited attempts on this specific week  is that in order to unlock hard modes for next week, a raid must kill Arthas this week. So any raid who doesn’t do that will be a week behind on progression. For most of us, this is a /shrug issue. Why Blizzard would care about that I can’t imagine, it’s all more competition for the ultra hardcore which is presumably what they want, right?

But there’s always someone who takes it just a bit more seriously.

So imagine you are a raid guild who didn’t manage to kill Arthas within the limited attempts this week. So you are facing the prospect of being a week behind the other ultra hardcore guilds who did kill him. But what if there was a way to get the hard mode lock without actually killing the boss?

Premonition lured a mage from a successful Arthas kill to join them. So they can use his raid lock next week and go for those hard modes.

All these games merge into one

This is the sort of bizarre metagaming strategy that you expect to read about in EVE blogs. It isn’t an exploit – or at least, it may involve some severe rules lawyering about the raid locks but it isn’t technically a cheat. It does involve one player screwing over a raid guild slightly, although in EVE the mage would also have emptied the guild vault on his way out.

And is it bad if I’m thinking, ‘Oh, Premonition bought a higher ranking bridge officer?’ And now I am imagining raiding as a sport-style strategy game where players buy and sell raiders and then set up their weekly raid fights via tactics for each player.

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9 thoughts on “Thought for the Day: On limited attempts

  1. As we’ve previously discussed:-
    Sim RaidLeader. “Can you coax your prima-dona Main Tanks into signing for raids, keep the healers awake/not playing bejewled and shout loud enough at the DPSers to get to the End Boss?” There’s gotta be a game in there somewhere.

    For all those folk that play football manager games but actualy skip the game and also raid….

    As to the ethics of ‘buying’ a raid lock….well as I understand it raid locks can diverge so the only actual harm is loosing a raider. They wont loose their lock-out. Jumping ship on your raid group? Well these things happen. Oh the Drama, makes me chuckle when its not my guild!

    I saw a pretty well geared tank advertising his services to help guilds through raids in /trade the other day. All done rather well in character on a RP server. More power to him. We are getting closer to EvE :)

  2. I suspect that the main drama ensues if Premonition picks up any world firsts for the hard mode, especially if they beat the guild the mage originally came from.

    I don’t pretend to understand why these guys are so competitive though — maybe there’s more money in getting a world first than I realise. The only player I knew who was in a guild that had some sponsorship said that the sponsor paid for the website, TS server, and a few peripherals and mouse mats and that was all.

    Also, I love football manager games as long as I can skip the games themselves, I also love tower defense … so maybe a pattern in there :)

    • Ah yes. If Premonition gets a world first then its DIVASTROP time for sure.

      Personally I would think that if they couldnt get an Arthas kill then unless this Mage is REALLY that good then they’re unlikely to get any other world first :)

      If I were a member of their raid (HA!) then I would feel cheated at missing seeing Arthas dead and skipping straight into hard modes. But then I’ve never seen a server first let alone a world first. I do understand the motivation of being ‘am bestest’ but buying in talent goes a bit far. ’tis flattering when you’re the person being head hunted though.

  3. The main reason why limited attempts on Normal Mode were removed is because it would have artificially blocked progression far beyond what Blizz’s original intent was.

    During ToC, if you burned up all your attempts on Heroic mode, you could still go take down regular mode. If limited attempts were kept on both heroic and regular mode, then guilds would be forced to curb their progression attempts earlier than they would otherwise, because they need to save an attempt or two in order to clear the rest of the instance.

    The way things are going is the same way that it’s been progressing all through ICC. Current content is controlled, while older content is allowed to slacken. Now that Heroic is cutting edge, normal mode is opened up.

  4. I have a vague suspicion that people just haven’t progressed as far in ICC as blizzard would have liked. Considering how much of a bitch the first limited attempt boss is (Professor Putricide is a confusing, busy hell that makes good and decent people cry), I’d put decent money that a lot of upper mid tier raiders have stalled out.

  5. Really surprised my the Premo was unable to kill Arthas in the same week as everyone else. I suppose at that level of progression raiding, only the hardmodes count, but the thing is….none of the original Premo raiders are [i]attuned[/i] for hardmodes…because they didn’t pass the exam for it. Really sucks for the countless players who put them up on a pedestal, those folks must be heartbroken.

    Surprised? Yes I am. Does it really bother me? The care cup is empty. I don’t really care what other guilds do to cheat or exploit.

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