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		<title>By: Pazi</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/it-came-from-the-pug-call-me-palalord/#comment-6661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pazi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m leveling 4 lowbies through dungeons right now (protpala,retpala,hunter,restodruid) and I&#039;m having a blast because it is the first time I&#039;m doing classic dungeons at the appropriate level (and I have 6 80s and another 4 above 70, startet playing after BC). 
My first toons maybe went to deadmines but that was it because back then this was the only reasonable dungeon for alliance:

- RFC: unreachable without help
- WC: you usually get there way after the level-range of the dungeon
- DM: if you know how to get there as horde, its easy (swimming takes about 5min)
- BFD: I went there once, died and not knowing that ghosts/whisps can dive (because they always walk on water) couldn&#039;t get to my body ...
- RK: again, horde has it way easier to get there
- SFK: same as WC, you only try to get there if you are a alliance-paladin doing the mace-quest
- Gnome: was hated by everybody, hard to find groups
- RD: same as RK
- SM: same as SFK, its an even longer way to get there for alliance
- Uldaman: the only instance thats actually hard to get to as horde (or maybe I am missing something and there is an easier way to get to Kargath)
- Mara: like Gnome and nobody likes Desolace
- ZF: I actually went there a few times back then, I like the dungeon
- ST: like Gnome and Mara
- BRD: after the initial hatred I fell in love with it but it takes so long...
- LBRS &amp; UBRS: see BRD

As you can see, most of the dungeons weren&#039;t accessible for the casual alliance player in the appropriate level-range (aka you don&#039;t get there through normal quest/zone-progression). So I created 3 of the lowbies before the LFD tool on horde side since I wanted to experience said dungeons on the appropriate level but had no time to actually level them out of the starting area.
And now I don&#039;t even have to set foot outside of a city, leveling with heirlooms.

Aside from the occasional real newbie or complete retard I only have problems with players that could tank rolling need on tank-items (for instance items with defense/block on them or with a high amount of stamina). When I look for a dungeon on my pure dps its always the tank that is missing (in rare cases a healer). So if they want to tank why didn&#039;t they sign in for it? Yeah it&#039;s the same reason why people do it on level 80 but the difference is, the level 80 wannebe-tank could still use the item weeks later but the then-level50-wannabe-tank hardly wants to use that shield he &quot;stole&quot; in RK (even the quest-shield for RK is better). There is simply no point in rolling need on items you might use if there is someone who actually wants to use it now.

Regarding the difficulty of dungeons these days (especially with toons that have a blue or heirloom in every slot): I 2manned the first 4 bosses in RK on level 26 on my hunter with a mage and also on my hunter tanked (trash in melee combat with two heirloom-daggers with crusader on them, and kiting bosses) RD on level 37 when the tank left us after the spider-boss (it helps to have two alliance-t10-hunters ^^, besides the healer was awesome).
I soloed RFC and SFK solo on level 26 because when my paladin had time (leveled to fast due to heirlooms) to do the quest the dungeons wouldn&#039;t show up in LFD anymore. But the most memorable moment was a complete mara-runthrough on my retpaladin, with all players including the warrior tank being only 42. 

Sorry for the long comment :/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m leveling 4 lowbies through dungeons right now (protpala,retpala,hunter,restodruid) and I&#8217;m having a blast because it is the first time I&#8217;m doing classic dungeons at the appropriate level (and I have 6 80s and another 4 above 70, startet playing after BC).<br />
My first toons maybe went to deadmines but that was it because back then this was the only reasonable dungeon for alliance:</p>
<p>- RFC: unreachable without help<br />
- WC: you usually get there way after the level-range of the dungeon<br />
- DM: if you know how to get there as horde, its easy (swimming takes about 5min)<br />
- BFD: I went there once, died and not knowing that ghosts/whisps can dive (because they always walk on water) couldn&#8217;t get to my body &#8230;<br />
- RK: again, horde has it way easier to get there<br />
- SFK: same as WC, you only try to get there if you are a alliance-paladin doing the mace-quest<br />
- Gnome: was hated by everybody, hard to find groups<br />
- RD: same as RK<br />
- SM: same as SFK, its an even longer way to get there for alliance<br />
- Uldaman: the only instance thats actually hard to get to as horde (or maybe I am missing something and there is an easier way to get to Kargath)<br />
- Mara: like Gnome and nobody likes Desolace<br />
- ZF: I actually went there a few times back then, I like the dungeon<br />
- ST: like Gnome and Mara<br />
- BRD: after the initial hatred I fell in love with it but it takes so long&#8230;<br />
- LBRS &amp; UBRS: see BRD</p>
<p>As you can see, most of the dungeons weren&#8217;t accessible for the casual alliance player in the appropriate level-range (aka you don&#8217;t get there through normal quest/zone-progression). So I created 3 of the lowbies before the LFD tool on horde side since I wanted to experience said dungeons on the appropriate level but had no time to actually level them out of the starting area.<br />
And now I don&#8217;t even have to set foot outside of a city, leveling with heirlooms.</p>
<p>Aside from the occasional real newbie or complete retard I only have problems with players that could tank rolling need on tank-items (for instance items with defense/block on them or with a high amount of stamina). When I look for a dungeon on my pure dps its always the tank that is missing (in rare cases a healer). So if they want to tank why didn&#8217;t they sign in for it? Yeah it&#8217;s the same reason why people do it on level 80 but the difference is, the level 80 wannebe-tank could still use the item weeks later but the then-level50-wannabe-tank hardly wants to use that shield he &#8220;stole&#8221; in RK (even the quest-shield for RK is better). There is simply no point in rolling need on items you might use if there is someone who actually wants to use it now.</p>
<p>Regarding the difficulty of dungeons these days (especially with toons that have a blue or heirloom in every slot): I 2manned the first 4 bosses in RK on level 26 on my hunter with a mage and also on my hunter tanked (trash in melee combat with two heirloom-daggers with crusader on them, and kiting bosses) RD on level 37 when the tank left us after the spider-boss (it helps to have two alliance-t10-hunters ^^, besides the healer was awesome).<br />
I soloed RFC and SFK solo on level 26 because when my paladin had time (leveled to fast due to heirlooms) to do the quest the dungeons wouldn&#8217;t show up in LFD anymore. But the most memorable moment was a complete mara-runthrough on my retpaladin, with all players including the warrior tank being only 42. </p>
<p>Sorry for the long comment :/</p>
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		<title>By: Joar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually have a lot of fun running the low level instances.  Generally, you get a fair number of people that haven&#039;t entirely figured out how to play their class, but about 75% percent of the time I find they&#039;re open to suggestions.  Was running Scarlet Monastery the other day with a warlock that had their voidwalker out and was basically just spamming drain soul fights.  I whispered, told them my main was a warlock and asked if I could suggest a rotation and see about pulling their imp out. 

After a few more pulls, go ta whisper back &quot;Holy crap - thanks man - my dps has tripled&quot;  In the typical heroic these days, the response would have probably been something more like &quot;up yrs n00b!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a lot of fun running the low level instances.  Generally, you get a fair number of people that haven&#8217;t entirely figured out how to play their class, but about 75% percent of the time I find they&#8217;re open to suggestions.  Was running Scarlet Monastery the other day with a warlock that had their voidwalker out and was basically just spamming drain soul fights.  I whispered, told them my main was a warlock and asked if I could suggest a rotation and see about pulling their imp out. </p>
<p>After a few more pulls, go ta whisper back &#8220;Holy crap &#8211; thanks man &#8211; my dps has tripled&#8221;  In the typical heroic these days, the response would have probably been something more like &#8220;up yrs n00b!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Argon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Argon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of the fun of low level dungeons is running around with a collection of sometimes weird people.  But you do have to have a lighthearted attitude.  The low level dungeons are easy enough now that it doesn&#039;t take too much to be able to get through it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the fun of low level dungeons is running around with a collection of sometimes weird people.  But you do have to have a lighthearted attitude.  The low level dungeons are easy enough now that it doesn&#8217;t take too much to be able to get through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jomu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jomu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[heh i could have sworn the way you were describing it, that your Gnomer group would have disbanded or wiped enough to disband ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh i could have sworn the way you were describing it, that your Gnomer group would have disbanded or wiped enough to disband <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure why this one just struck me as funny. I did whisper to Arb that we could leave any time she wanted but we stuck with it for awhile.

Maybe it&#039;s because my goal here was to get some practice playing my character (certainly did that!), get some xp, and hang out with my sister. Finishing the instance would have been nice, but we&#039;d already run it once that day.

Or maybe I just was feeling particularly chilled out. 

And also, any time I get something interesting crop up in groups these days, at the back of my mind I&#039;m thinking that I could get a blog post out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why this one just struck me as funny. I did whisper to Arb that we could leave any time she wanted but we stuck with it for awhile.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because my goal here was to get some practice playing my character (certainly did that!), get some xp, and hang out with my sister. Finishing the instance would have been nice, but we&#8217;d already run it once that day.</p>
<p>Or maybe I just was feeling particularly chilled out. </p>
<p>And also, any time I get something interesting crop up in groups these days, at the back of my mind I&#8217;m thinking that I could get a blog post out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Everblue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everblue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I should say it was BFD - my hunter is level 24...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I should say it was BFD &#8211; my hunter is level 24&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Everblue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everblue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went on my first ever instance run as my hunter the other week. 

I ran out of arrows about 8 pulls from the end.

(Oh my God I was so embarrassed. Because it was a random dungeon I couldn&#039;t hearth out and get any, so I started going melee on trash, using traps for AoE and saving arrows for bosses. I was still third on the damage meter for those pulls...)

I didn&#039;t realise how many arrows I would get through in a dungeon run. Now I take about 10,000 everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went on my first ever instance run as my hunter the other week. </p>
<p>I ran out of arrows about 8 pulls from the end.</p>
<p>(Oh my God I was so embarrassed. Because it was a random dungeon I couldn&#8217;t hearth out and get any, so I started going melee on trash, using traps for AoE and saving arrows for bosses. I was still third on the damage meter for those pulls&#8230;)</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realise how many arrows I would get through in a dungeon run. Now I take about 10,000 everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Call me Palalord sounds like, uh, some kind of terrible tank pillowtalk...

Call me palalord!  I want your epic healz baby!

*runs away screaming*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me Palalord sounds like, uh, some kind of terrible tank pillowtalk&#8230;</p>
<p>Call me palalord!  I want your epic healz baby!</p>
<p>*runs away screaming*</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah, &lt;a href=&quot;http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&amp;cn=Deadlylol&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;found them on the armoury&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, <a href="http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Xavius&amp;cn=Deadlylol" rel="nofollow">found them on the armoury</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arbitrary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arbitrary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DeadlyLoL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeadlyLoL</p>
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