Comments on: Whiny Post Day: What would you sacrifice at the altar of progression? http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/ MMOs and game design Tue, 21 May 2013 14:36:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Best Of The Rest: Bread And Whine Edition - We Fly Spitfires - MMORPG Blog http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6735 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:31:31 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6735 [...] Larisa, Spinks, River, Tesh, Jyorore, Ratshag, Adam, Stabs, Hatch and The Mental Shaman all celebrate Whiny Post [...]

]]> By: /AFK – PAX Empire Edition « Bio Break http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6728 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:16:46 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6728 [...] Spinks wishes people would remember that games are supposed to be fun [...]

]]> By: Elelereth http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6704 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:40:20 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6704 I’ve been approached several times, as I know at least half a dozen other players in our raid comm. have, by groups more progressed than ourselves. Some of them moved (several of whom moved to a raid comm with their RL friends, which may or may not have been the deal-broker). As far as I’m aware, the majority who have thought about it have actually opted to stay. All of them had… well, for want of a better word, skill to succeed in those groups.

Those are just those who have been nosed out by other groups and actively asked if they would like to switch. I’d be astonished if there weren’t another dozen or so who hadn’t entertained the thought of switching.

As far as I’m aware, we’ve had some 70 players in our raid comm. over the 14 months we’ve raided in Wrath. About 40 of them are still currently active. Most of those remaining 30 ceased raiding rather than leaving for another group.

So, based purely on our group, I’d disagree that everyone is fundamentally progress driven to the extent of guild-hopping to achieve it. I can’t argue with progress-orientated play: I know for a fact that whenever I fulfil my current goal, I almost immediately loose interest in the game for some period of time. But at least in our little corner of the WoW world – with more than a few players who would fit in extremely well, in my opinion, in much more progressive communities (of whatever avenue) – we’re mostly happy to stay in our social raid group.

In fact, I giggle inside when I hear of someone who jumps ship to enjoy more progress, only to find that more progress isn’t all its cracked up to be, and jumps back.

]]> By: Uzi http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6700 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:16:40 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6700 I was actualy thinking…no it isnt worth it in either case…ie getting left behind by progression minded Guildies or actualy doing that yourself. Basicaly it sucks either way.

]]> By: Tesh http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6690 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:20:15 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6690 “It’s all very goal oriented, which makes me sad.”

Aye, that’s the heart of it. I wish it were play oriented. The way I play, it is, but I’m well aware that I’m not normal.

]]> By: Tesh http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6689 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:19:25 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6689 Agreed, Nugget. Those are real people on the other end, even if they are presented via anonymous masks. Do we not all wear masks of a sort in “real life” anyway?

I’ve made friends in MMOs and even in blogging, but it’s not because they do stuff for me, it’s because of shared interest and mutual respect.

I find that friendship is more about what you give, not what you get.

]]> By: Hinenuitepo http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6687 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:06:28 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6687 I’m glad for you you are finding a way to be happy in playing the game of Wow!

Just be careful in implying that someone who is in fact goal-oriented in their gameplay is ‘doing it wrong’ or not enjoying it at all.

It’s the old goal-oriented vs social-oriented dynamic. Both can be valid, and a good balance can be struck.

I myself don’t play with my RL friends that play Wow. I talk Wow with them all the time, but my preference is in fact quite goal-oriented, and that’s the way I like it.

Kudos to you for finding your way!

]]> By: Why Whine? « Tish Tosh Tesh http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6686 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:57:22 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6686 [...] 17, 2010 by Tesh Because everyone else is?  (Yes, a sample of three means EVERYONE’s doing it, duh. L2Logic, [...]

]]> By: The Day of the Whiny Post « Light's Fury http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6682 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:14:41 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6682 [...] touched on the loneliness aspect of gameplay today, and Spinks wrote about progression raiding, and the likeness to [...]

]]> By: spinks http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/whiny-post-day-what-would-you-sacrifice-at-the-altar-of-progression/#comment-6681 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:39:41 +0000 http://spinksville.wordpress.com/?p=3430#comment-6681 “But is it worth the price? Your milage may vary.”

It’s probably worth the price if you are the progression minded person who isn’t getting ditched :)

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