Comments on: The problem of really dreadful roleplayers

By: Dead Again: The World’s A Stage « Tish Tosh Tesh

Dead Again: The World’s A Stage « Tish Tosh Tesh — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:17:43 +0000

[...] Psychochild, Jay, Spinks, Jason, Chris, Scott and many others have written about Role Playing in one form or another, with [...]

By: pewter

pewter — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:49:57 +0000

Thanks for clarifying about SAN, and well said

By: theerivs

theerivs — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:44:57 +0000

Yes, SAN has nothing to do with this beside the original time Anna tried to accuse them. I severed all ties with any guild. I go it alone from here.

As for griefing innocent people, sometimes you need to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

Mmmmm Omelettes!

By: Dead Again « Tish Tosh Tesh

Dead Again « Tish Tosh Tesh — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:58:14 +0000

[...] I had grand notions of writing a pair of diaries from her point of view, one of her old life, one of her new one, reacting to her old diary and the new circumstances in which she rather uncomfortably found herself. I took a LOT of screenshots (637) that could have helped this endeavor, and may get to it someday. I still think it could be a fun writing exercise, but with my lack of time and the difficulties it provided in actually Playing a Role, I didn’t bother with it. Ultimately, I’d like to write my own stories, anyway. Ah, the troubles with Role Playing… [...]

By: spinks

spinks — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:07:30 +0000

Ugh, I’m really sorry you had to deal with that. There never is any cause to degenerate into personal attacks ;/

I can tell you’re angry and that this has all gotten much bigger than I think anyone wanted (I’m sure neither CH nor Anna intended that with their posts).

But I still don’t think declaring a generic griefing war on a bunch of people who weren’t the ones making personal attacks is going to help.

By: Linedan

Linedan — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:34:41 +0000

Actually, that poster (who didn’t leave a pingback, and none of the people I’ve talked to know who the heck he was) did make fun of you moving back in with your parents, which I agree was completely out of line…but once you and other commenters informed him that your parents were sick, he apologized and offered to delete the post. You refused and left it up, and he edited the comment to remove the offending statements. So while he shouldn’t have been dragging out the old tired “living in your parents’ basement” card (don’t we all hear enough of that anyway?), he apparently didn’t know the circumstances, and backed off when he found out. You’re implying in your statement that he knew ahead of time.

By: theerivs

theerivs — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:41:48 +0000

Spinks, I don’t know if you read my blog, but they made fun of me moving in with my handicapped mother, and my stepfather who just had a stroke to help them out. They made it personal.

So I will bring war to there holier then though RP people. I will cause so much chaos on their server they will hate me more then they hated anyone else.

By: spinks

spinks — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:16:09 +0000

Yup, good point. I’m sorry if I implied anything else – my bad.

edited to add: Oops, sorry. This was intended as a reply to Sven (who asked that SAN not be brought into this). Although I should just leave it up as a generic reply to everyone

By: Sven

Sven — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:28:49 +0000

I’d appreciate it if all parties involved in this discussion refrain from framing it in terms of “SAN vs roleplayers”. It isn’t – several people in SAN are active roleplayers and many many more are interested in exploring it with sensitivity. Theerivs views are his own, not those of SAN as a whole.

By: spinks

spinks — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:08:21 +0000

I have run or helped to run several RP MUSHes, which are tightly controlled multiplayer (up to a couple of hundred at a time) roleplaying environments where staff do enforce theme and quality, to some extent.

I am pretty familiar with staff interventions, being called in to deal with obstructive or inappropriate RP, and using staff powers to isolate, punish, or ban offending players. Obv in a free game staffed by volunteers you don’t have to worry about losing subscriptions but that won’t be an issue in MMOs anyway since if you lose 1 person and make a lot more happy it’s worth it.

But you sound terribly certain that you can easily discriminate between an inept, incompetent, or deeply inexperienced RP and a deliberate griefer and then take on the mantle of judge, jury and executioner. I would suggest that a lot of inappropriate RP is not done to deliberately grief the rest of the player base.

A griefer is someone who goes into a RP meeting in order to disrupt it as much as possible (and RPing at them is not going to help), and that includes deliberately messing up other people’s RP. People who are cybering in the deeprun tram? Not so much. You can still report it but hanging around in the deeprun tram to mock them? Helps no one.