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		<title>By: Casual Delight &#171; Bio Break</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/playing-games-while-you-work-play/#comment-6983</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casual Delight &#171; Bio Break]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] there, it&#8217;s about making a highly-accessible game that&#8217;s fun in some way, for people who don&#8217;t always have an awesome computer or who might want to play on a laptop or on a more casual [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there, it&#8217;s about making a highly-accessible game that&#8217;s fun in some way, for people who don&#8217;t always have an awesome computer or who might want to play on a laptop or on a more casual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tavita</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/playing-games-while-you-work-play/#comment-6969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tavita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well when everyone around you is being laid off, and you&#039;re constantly being threatened with it, the motivation to &quot;above and beyond&quot; just isn&#039;t there.  And that&#039;s really the root of the problem with the labor force in the US right now.  There is no vested interest.  If you work harder, someone else benefits from it, not you.  You&#039;re just lucky to &quot;keep your job&quot;.  Ever seen Office Space?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when everyone around you is being laid off, and you&#8217;re constantly being threatened with it, the motivation to &#8220;above and beyond&#8221; just isn&#8217;t there.  And that&#8217;s really the root of the problem with the labor force in the US right now.  There is no vested interest.  If you work harder, someone else benefits from it, not you.  You&#8217;re just lucky to &#8220;keep your job&#8221;.  Ever seen Office Space?</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect you probably didn&#039;t need to play Farmville all that extensively to see how similar ideas might apply to a client :) But it is really cool that you were able to do that. 

And also very true that letting employees go free range on the internet does mean that they might find and explore cool stuff that they can use as a source of ideas for work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect you probably didn&#8217;t need to play Farmville all that extensively to see how similar ideas might apply to a client <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But it is really cool that you were able to do that. </p>
<p>And also very true that letting employees go free range on the internet does mean that they might find and explore cool stuff that they can use as a source of ideas for work.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there are definitely some jobs where you might as well play during work hours as do anything else(matt&#039;s paramedic experience is a good example of that; he needs to be present because he&#039;s on call but when not actually busy on a call, he just needs to stay awake.)

And other examples, often in IT, of work patterns which have crunch periods and quiet periods, but you still need to be present in the office during the quiet periods.

All I&#039;m saying is from my experience, be careful about getting into bad habits. Sure, it&#039;s fine to play if you have nothing else to do. But very easy to start getting the actual work out of the way as fast as possible (even if this means putting as little effort in as you can) so as to have more spare time for gaming/ time wasting. Don&#039;t assume that no one will notice.

Stabs is also right that if the net wasn&#039;t available, people probably would find more productive things to do, even if it just meant sitting around the water cooler and chatting. Building up working relationships and possibly even talking about work is likely more productive than messing around on the net. But who knows?

In any case, this issue isn&#039;t going away any time soon. It&#039;ll be interesting to see how employers adapt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are definitely some jobs where you might as well play during work hours as do anything else(matt&#8217;s paramedic experience is a good example of that; he needs to be present because he&#8217;s on call but when not actually busy on a call, he just needs to stay awake.)</p>
<p>And other examples, often in IT, of work patterns which have crunch periods and quiet periods, but you still need to be present in the office during the quiet periods.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is from my experience, be careful about getting into bad habits. Sure, it&#8217;s fine to play if you have nothing else to do. But very easy to start getting the actual work out of the way as fast as possible (even if this means putting as little effort in as you can) so as to have more spare time for gaming/ time wasting. Don&#8217;t assume that no one will notice.</p>
<p>Stabs is also right that if the net wasn&#8217;t available, people probably would find more productive things to do, even if it just meant sitting around the water cooler and chatting. Building up working relationships and possibly even talking about work is likely more productive than messing around on the net. But who knows?</p>
<p>In any case, this issue isn&#8217;t going away any time soon. It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how employers adapt.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a paramedic on an ambulance and spend a lot of my downtime on wow via a laptop and cellphone. Mostly I do things like work the AH or powerlevel professions, which leaves the fun parts like raids and world pvp for my days off.  Hey, its better than watching daytime TV in the station: -)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a paramedic on an ambulance and spend a lot of my downtime on wow via a laptop and cellphone. Mostly I do things like work the AH or powerlevel professions, which leaves the fun parts like raids and world pvp for my days off.  Hey, its better than watching daytime TV in the station: -)</p>
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		<title>By: Dread</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/playing-games-while-you-work-play/#comment-6950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dread]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that I work at home I play wow while I work. It&#039;s lonely though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I work at home I play wow while I work. It&#8217;s lonely though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhii</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/playing-games-while-you-work-play/#comment-6945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhii]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really a catch22... It&#039;s a derivative of your pay being based on the hours that you spend there (at least for hourly workers) which has nothing to do with the work you actually perform, so it becomes about doing the least work possible while filling the hours you&#039;re required to stay there. It&#039;s natural to resent something you&#039;re required to depend upon, but don&#039;t enjoy or have a personal connection to. 

But in my experience, if you make that pay performance dependent (quantity/quality based) instead you see a huge burst of initial productivity, an eventual burnout, and then enormous attrition. People eventually decide that the extra pay isn&#039;t worth the amount of work they have to put in to meet the productivity standards, and the productivity standards have to be continually raised because a few exceptional people are always exceeding them... making it impossible for average people to sustain &#039;minimum&#039; results. When you get to that burnout point, people start wasting time again, because they know that they can&#039;t succeed, or that even if they do succeed, they&#039;re just going to raise the standard again. 

Granted, my experience is mostly in call center type environments (many) and I&#039;m not a specialist on human behavior or business or anything. But sometimes I think it would be so much simpler if we were all subsistence farmers or something. (lol)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really a catch22&#8230; It&#8217;s a derivative of your pay being based on the hours that you spend there (at least for hourly workers) which has nothing to do with the work you actually perform, so it becomes about doing the least work possible while filling the hours you&#8217;re required to stay there. It&#8217;s natural to resent something you&#8217;re required to depend upon, but don&#8217;t enjoy or have a personal connection to. </p>
<p>But in my experience, if you make that pay performance dependent (quantity/quality based) instead you see a huge burst of initial productivity, an eventual burnout, and then enormous attrition. People eventually decide that the extra pay isn&#8217;t worth the amount of work they have to put in to meet the productivity standards, and the productivity standards have to be continually raised because a few exceptional people are always exceeding them&#8230; making it impossible for average people to sustain &#8216;minimum&#8217; results. When you get to that burnout point, people start wasting time again, because they know that they can&#8217;t succeed, or that even if they do succeed, they&#8217;re just going to raise the standard again. </p>
<p>Granted, my experience is mostly in call center type environments (many) and I&#8217;m not a specialist on human behavior or business or anything. But sometimes I think it would be so much simpler if we were all subsistence farmers or something. (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We Fly Spitfires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I played EQ2 we had an American in our guild (it was a European guild so our evenings were his nights) and he played whilst he was at work. He owned his own steel company and spent all afternoon playing from his office! He was the boss so of course no one could ever say anything :) It was quite funny because on occassion he would forget to disable his microphone and we&#039;d hear employees interrupting him to ask for things :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I played EQ2 we had an American in our guild (it was a European guild so our evenings were his nights) and he played whilst he was at work. He owned his own steel company and spent all afternoon playing from his office! He was the boss so of course no one could ever say anything <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It was quite funny because on occassion he would forget to disable his microphone and we&#8217;d hear employees interrupting him to ask for things <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It depends how boring your job is. If you&#039;re doing, say, repetitive data input and you have nothing to do other than work or staring at the ceiling you will eventually get bored of the ceiling and work out of sheer boredom.

I&#039;ve seen a lot of people playing things like Solitaire at work. The problem I have with it is it kills initiative. Most staff can find something productive to do if they have no tasks on their plate. Re-organising their files, checking they have adequate stationery and so on. If their day consists of dodging anything optional all day so they can maximise time spent entertaining themselves they will do it. And I&#039;m referring here to random surfing more than games because that was the issue I had with various secretaries, receptionists and IT support I&#039;ve worked with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends how boring your job is. If you&#8217;re doing, say, repetitive data input and you have nothing to do other than work or staring at the ceiling you will eventually get bored of the ceiling and work out of sheer boredom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a lot of people playing things like Solitaire at work. The problem I have with it is it kills initiative. Most staff can find something productive to do if they have no tasks on their plate. Re-organising their files, checking they have adequate stationery and so on. If their day consists of dodging anything optional all day so they can maximise time spent entertaining themselves they will do it. And I&#8217;m referring here to random surfing more than games because that was the issue I had with various secretaries, receptionists and IT support I&#8217;ve worked with.</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my career I&#039;ve done a lot of research as a salaried worker. Research is one of those tasks where work really does expand to fit the time available.

If you have 5 minutes you&#039;ll get a quick google search. Give me an hour and I&#039;ll have checked multiple online and offline sources and produced photocopies of the relevant articles and pages from textbooks. Give me a week and I&#039;ll have checked external sources or ordered books sent over.

Also I&#039;ve usually worked collaboratively. Meaning that as long as I look busy if a new enquiry comes in someone else will usually pick it up. 

I&#039;ve worked through breaks and before and after hours.

It&#039;s not obvious at all in many professions if someone&#039;s giving it their full attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my career I&#8217;ve done a lot of research as a salaried worker. Research is one of those tasks where work really does expand to fit the time available.</p>
<p>If you have 5 minutes you&#8217;ll get a quick google search. Give me an hour and I&#8217;ll have checked multiple online and offline sources and produced photocopies of the relevant articles and pages from textbooks. Give me a week and I&#8217;ll have checked external sources or ordered books sent over.</p>
<p>Also I&#8217;ve usually worked collaboratively. Meaning that as long as I look busy if a new enquiry comes in someone else will usually pick it up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked through breaks and before and after hours.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not obvious at all in many professions if someone&#8217;s giving it their full attention.</p>
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