Comments on: Warrior Change Analysis: Fury is the new black (actually it was also the old black)

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By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:31:31 +0000

You’re right, Heroic Leap was an ability originally implemented in the early Wrath beta. However, some pathing issues and the lack of requiring a target made it sort of troublesome. Eventually they decided to spend more time on other abilities and talents.

It seems so far the theme for Cata is to bring back some of the abilities people actually thought would be fun from the early Wrath beta and try them out properly.

By: tavita

tavita — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:10:18 +0000

Wasn’t this heroic leap in during the early part of wrath? or was it early tbc? Can’t remember when, but I do remember using it one of the ptrs. In fact, the metamorphed demonology locks had a similar spell…it never seemed to work right because you’d always land too far from your opponent to melee them, which is why assume they added the stun factor this time.

By: Hatch

Hatch — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:36:40 +0000

Good points about the population, Spinks. It definitely remains to be seen how the other tanking classes will look, and I agree that warrior will be a very popular Worgen class, while Blood Elves are always popular. I had been thinking about the warrior changes only in comparison to the already-released previews at that point (healing rain!). But looking at it with more context, and with the DK preview out, I think your analysis is more accurate than my initial analysis. I’ll have to try to take everything into account when I try to predict future population numbers.

By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:52:27 +0000

I certainly agree here on the tanks using 1 handed Strength weapons. In fact, I sort of championed that concept for a bit during Wrath beta. It would certainly remove the desire for Fury to use one-handers from the point of view of ‘we need more than Frost DKs to want these’. Many would love to see a return to furiously smashing things to bits with quick attacks, but if it ends up not being fun enough (due to balance issues), then I’m sure we can expect it to be cut.

By: spinks

spinks — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:22:28 +0000

I think that sounds like a very sensible way to run a loot council. It’s just that in my raid the DKs and warriors alike tend to switch specs after a patch if one combination gets tweaked to become superior, so although people will get priority for their current spec, it’s sensible for them to want to build up an armoury just in case.

And if no 2 handers drop for awhile but there’s a slew of strength 1 handers, then that’s what people will work around.

By: Kobeathris

Kobeathris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:04:29 +0000

Personally, I would love to see them ditch tanking 1 handers, but even if they don’t, 1 handed fury will still be an ideal for an offspec for tanks, since DPS weapons are still pretty awesome to tank with. This will be particularly true they finally put in an enchant to replace Mongoose that does essentially what Mongoose does only more. It’s not a bad enchant for tanking or DPS, its just been superseded by newer ones on the DPS side.

By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:47:01 +0000

I currently can’t think of a situation that is much like this one. While it’s usually the case that you use what weapons provide the greatest benefit as a rule, I wonder if raids will still distribute loot in a way that makes swapping between the two styles viable.

From my perspective, as a raiding guild designed around loot council (and a current councilor, As it were), I would rather support my raiders playing in the style they prefer and rewarding them for that choice. These players would not choose a spec that limits their DPS by a significant amount, but they will play what they like to play, as long as it’s competitive.

In this case I would not award a new sexy Strength 1-hander to the TG Fury Warrior who sees it as an upgrade if he switches. I would give it to the DW Frost DK who has established that DW is his style, rewarding him for his chosen enjoyment, enriching his raid experience, and hopefully making him want to participate far more readily.

If that sounds like one of those empowerment voodoo speeches, then just think of it as a way NOT to piss off those players who spend most of their time perfecting their style.

By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:30:41 +0000

I believe them silly blues have sort of addressed that fear by recognizing that Fury will now need a new ability in Whirlwind’s place.

Given that this is moreso a preview of philosophy and intent, I don’t think we’ll see specifics about it until beta hits.

By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:26:27 +0000

If you haven’t seen it already, GC commented on the purpose of Heroic Leap. He compared the relationship of Heroic Leap and Thunder Clap (or Charge and TC if you want to get specific) as that between Whirlwind and Bladestorm. As it is now, nobody opts out of Bladestorm because ‘they can already Whirlwind perfectly fine’.

He used the words ‘massive damage’, which, coming from an individual who represents himself as a giant crab, seems like a clever sort of gamer humour I wouldn’t have expected from Mr. Gin-in-coffee-mug.

When it comes to Gushing Wounds, I think the PvE goal was to try and infuse a decision into Rend to make that choice more compelling. As it stands Rend is a weak tool used to enable the use of other tools, like Overpower for Arms. It isn’t used because the damage is attractive…it most certainly is not, though the addition of haste and crit scaling might make it a more significant portion of Warrior damage.

On highly mobile fights, the Warrior would not risk losing time and resources when the bleed falls off…not to mention a disruption in rotation. While I’m not sure this happens often now, we can all agree that it certainly wouldn’t be fun if/when it did. With the new level 85 Shaman cooldown spell, Inner Will, Life Grip, and Mind Spike for Priests, and now GW, it seems to me that mobile fights are on Blizzard’s mind.