Comments on: The slow but inevitable death of 25 man raiding

By: Raiding in Cataclysm | Cannot be Tamed

Raiding in Cataclysm | Cannot be Tamed — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:24 +0000

[...] CatsRestokin, Spinks and You Yank it you Tank It think that this will kill 25-man raiding because of the effort required [...]

By: Lethe

Lethe — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:17:20 +0000

Yeah, you sound just like the butt maggot that left our 25man to form a 10man because he was tired of ‘carrying’ all the people who geared him with t10.5 badges.

By: Morendo

Morendo — Mon, 24 May 2010 03:00:45 +0000

There’s not going to be guilds splitting apart, if anything they’ll be made of several 10 mans.

There’s going to be some benefit to belonging in to a large guild with the guild achievements.

By: Cataclysm Raid Shakedown and Predictions « Mordiceius' Gaming Blog

Cataclysm Raid Shakedown and Predictions « Mordiceius' Gaming Blog — Mon, 03 May 2010 16:39:22 +0000

[...] thinks this will be the end of 25man raiding. She has some good points with it too. On a group level, 10 mans are far more easy for players. [...]

By: Gaming News: Bungie signs up with Activision, EQ2 removes starting zones, Fallen Earth Dev cuts staff, and Vote Norman! « Welcome to Spinksville!

Sun, 02 May 2010 19:56:28 +0000

[...] lot of bloggers came out either in favour or against the changes, and you can see from the comments on my post how strongly people feel about their raiding. I’ve been most surprised by the number of people who [...]

By: Kris

Kris — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:06:05 +0000

In your examples, the player was able to choose and still remain competitive. She could play how she wants without feeling forced to also group with 24 others to obtain the best gear. Perhaps this player would rather test her personal abilities rather than test her raid leader’s. I understand completely. If anything, Wrath had NO choice if you wanted to remain competitive. Even those that preferred only 25s felt forced to do 10s.

In the end, if these players would prefer to test their mettle in 10s, which is what your examples suggested, then they shouldn’t be penalized for doing so…this is the current Blizzard philosophy also evident in the upcoming rated battlegrounds. We can see this same distress mirrored in that heated discussion as well.

All the sky is falling rhetoric is wasted until we see all the very specific details related to rewards. For example, should 25 mans drop two and a half to three times more loot, badges, AND gold, then I feel it will still remain a worthwhile way to spend your time and your guild’s time, while still rewarding you for group effort not through better loot but through faster acquisition of said loot.

By: spinks

spinks — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:53:36 +0000

I guess it works if you know other people to reroll with.

By: Wiqd

Wiqd — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:28:45 +0000

Eh, I raid 25s, have iLevel 277 gear and personally am looking forward to rerolling and doing only 10s. So far 25s have burned me out with having to carry people who don’t care so each kill takes an extra attempt when you know you can steamroll it.

25s won’t die if Blizz gives them special rewards, like mounts and legendaries as they do now. I’m sure they’ll have that stuff in 10s in Cata now, but they’ll give the 25s something to brag about. The gear / difficulty being the same for 10s/25s is a good thing. Now you really have the option of just doing what you like instead of what you feel you have to in order to be the best.

By: spinks

spinks — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:19:23 +0000

That sounds about right to me, although there are definitely individual encounters which break the mould.

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:19:09 +0000

Arrrg wtb an edit button and a better browser. The unintelligible above should read:

The prospect of being in a 10 man group of 9 similarly skilled players, pushing content with the big boys elsewhere, is very appealing.