Comments on: 3 reasons why we need damage meters

By: Katherine

Katherine — Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:34:55 +0000

Pugging outland instances I had a shadow priest that was on the low end of the level range for the instance complaining that his DPS was low, mostly due to his spells being partially/fully resisted. But he was slowing runners and pulling anything that went for me (healing) off of me and so on. Couldn’t convince him that he was awesome though

By: Kaly

Kaly — Tue, 11 May 2010 18:13:08 +0000

I am a Frost Mage. I am usually depressed when people post DPS meters. Let us ignore the mobs I snared/ CCd that wanted to munch on our healer, or the buffs and Fish Feasts I bring, as well as my ability to live where others keel over, and instead lol at the “low” dmg done. I do love it when I out dps folks that really should be doing better and they post Recount.

By: Faixgt4

Faixgt4 — Wed, 05 May 2010 02:00:46 +0000

That Mage is an idiot. Stealing the buff on Jara is amazing. If I was the only Mage in the raid I could usually post 12-18k dps on that fight due to spellsteal.

If he thinks it would hurt his dps, he is an idiot.

By: Kudos

Kudos — Tue, 04 May 2010 17:01:18 +0000

Ya, the meters are double edged, for me as a tank the only use they serve is post wipe to analyze the cause, and I find the constant spam after every trash pull annoying to say the least.

I do love the other data you can get from recount, healing/interrupts/ect. Makes it easier to target the issues a raid may be having.

I’ve also saved a rogue from being booted from a raid with a quick post of interrupts. His dps was a tad low on the fight (Jaraxxus), but his interrupts saved me from taking a ton of damage. It also made it painfully obvious that the mage wasn’t even trying to spell-steal forcing me to either eat what the rogue missed or interrupt/reflect it myself.

The mage is now on my ignore list due to his constant QQing about how his dps is lowered when he has to spell-steal, and the rogue is now a happy addition to the guild.

I guess meters aren’t a bad thing after all

By: Uzi

Uzi — Tue, 04 May 2010 10:59:19 +0000

Well I’ve been known to check out the meters while healing or the rare times I tank….to see who’s worth saving first

I mean utility is a big part as well…the high DPS idiot who keeps pulling aggro and standing in the fire isnt going to get any breaks. But I’ll admit if I have choice between saving people as a healer it tends to go
Me>Tank>OtherHealer>HighDPS>LowerDPS. As I said if High DPS is a dick they dont get saved…so now you know all you PuGers….

By: Lujanera

Lujanera — Tue, 04 May 2010 10:09:27 +0000

This sort of wholesale rejection of a tool doesn’t make sense to me. While Recount can be misused in ways that can be unpleasant, so can other tools. It would be foolish to get rid of hammers just because you got hit in the thumb once. If there is blame to be assigned, why not look at the hand holding the hammer? Recount serves a useful role in helping to evaluate the performance of the raid. When performance matters, some degree of ‘elitism’ is inevitable and probably desirable.

By: spinks

spinks — Tue, 04 May 2010 07:18:14 +0000

If I’m checking the damage meters on my tank, it’s really just to make sure we have enough group/raid dps to clear the instance.

They don’t add much interest to the tanking game, which is really why tanking is the best role to take if you aren’t terribly competitive. I don’t think people realise this. It’s also rather more forgiving than dps or healing once you have the hang of it.

By: spinks

spinks — Tue, 04 May 2010 07:15:43 +0000

I think the problem of any kind of metric based games/ scores is that people focus on whatever can be most easily measured (like dps). And because they’re gamers, they focus on it with the intensity of a zillion laser beams.

I preferred raiding with larger numbers where the law of averages meant that the better players would make up for the worse ones and if raid dps wasn’t high enough, you just brought more people.

I prefer PvE games which are more about utility and puzzle solving than hammering out pure dps also. But it doesn’t mean that the meters can’t be useful.

By: Uzi

Uzi — Tue, 04 May 2010 07:00:45 +0000

Nice post. When I’m DPSing or on Raid Heal duties I find these things to be very usefull for self motivation. I’m trying to do my best and watching my performance helps me to stay focused. I cant recall the last time I posted to raid/group except when someone else did first….and rather selectively (yes Mr PuGMage you have highest DPS, but if you look at Damage Done your bottom. Please Shutup and stop posting meters, kkthnksby.)

They’re also usefull for spoting the person who’s just not trying. We’re not talking about someone tabing during AoE to read twitter…we’re talking about the t10 geared rogue who only DPSs on Bosses and is on /follow for all the trash, the Mage who’s leveling his staff skill or the tank thats not using any tanking abilities.

Friendly rivalry between DPSers or RaidHealers is also a good motivator and can help push group/raid performance. I’ve certainly broken down my play style, re-assesed my priorities and rotation, re-glyphed, re-speced, re-gemmed all to try and get a bit closer to the damn Druid(s) on Raid Heal. Did I ‘win’…who cares…but the raid gets a focused motivated healer. Tanks and Main-Tank healers have different motivators (like not being dead)

By: pkudude99

pkudude99 — Mon, 03 May 2010 19:25:16 +0000

In EQ2, I don’t mind them as a curiosity when other people have them and occasionally post stats for us to look at in group chat. It’s the ones that either post after EVERY fight and yell at people for not “pulling their weight” or post after every fight that they topped the damage parse to show off that bug me.

Outside of raiding, that’s completely unnecessary. So long as the mobs are dying and we aren’t, the numbers on the parse are immaterial to me. And to most people I find in PUGs as well.