Comments on: It came from the PUG: Even my noob alt knows how to do THAT!

By: loveandwarinazeroth

loveandwarinazeroth — Tue, 11 May 2010 16:53:33 +0000

This sort of situation is coming up more often than I’d like to admit. I can brush off if a dps is saying I’m messing up on healing, because I can assume they have no idea what they are talking about, and often the tank will back me up.

The relationship between healers and tanks is different and I expect more from my tanks. If a tank ever blames me when it is not my fault, I’m done. I won’t even think about another random for an hour.

It hurts because I value that relationship, however fleeting, between tank and healer. I would stick up for him if someone was saying he was tanking poorly, so it especially burns me when it is the noobish tank telling me I’m healing badly when I’m not.

By: Isa

Isa — Tue, 11 May 2010 14:16:20 +0000

I’m definitely more of an old guard tank and get annoyed when I see other tanks go nuts on pulls. Sometimes it speeds things up but a lot of the time it really doesn’t. And people are watching this kind of behavior and learning it. So many people who are trying out tanking for the first time see these tanks in action and try to emulate them to disastrous results. Even when a healer tells me to feel free to pull everyone, I always try to carefully consider whether it’s a good idea or not.

To add another example where this may not be a good idea–the first pulls in Utgarde Keep. Those guys can stun and if you grab everyone in that first hall, you may end up stunned a looooong time, taking a lot of damage and creating very little threat. It’s a recipe for disaster especially with overeager DPS.

By: Shintar

Shintar — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:59:31 +0000

Another thing to consider is that with the way progression works right now it's perfectly possible for a tank to only do each heroic a couple of times (due to randomness he might not even set foot into one or two at all) and be geared enough to jump into ICC. So yeah, someone being a Kingslayer means they killed Arthas but it's no guarantee that they know how to do anything else at all. (I made a post about this myself not long ago when I had a similar experience in heroic AN.)

By: Dread

Dread — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:17:49 +0000

90% of those tanks are just horrible tanks in easily-farmable gear anyway. I know for a fact when I step into a random heroic that 9/10 times I will top the DPS and carry the group. I will tell the healer quickly at the start to expect chain pulls and controlled aoe, and to worry more about the dumb rogue dying to standing in green stuff moreso than some idiotic pull going off. I’ve been chainpulling the same way since dinging 80 in the second week of Wrath and pulled that way in raids too (until Vezax trash).

By: Dread

Dread — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:15:02 +0000

You used CC? Our shaman healer was hexing things because it was a laugh, but we facerolled them all from the very first one. Hell, I wasn’t even defense capped yet.

By: Dread

Dread — Tue, 11 May 2010 13:12:24 +0000

On the priests issue…never pull all 3, you are asking for a wipe unless you formed a guild group and everyone knows what to expect.

On the issue of Xevozz…or however you spell it. I haven’t kited him since 3.3. He goes down fast enough 100% of the time, and even if he makes it to the orb spawn, he dies before anyone else does and we continue on. I’ve mostly been doing randoms with random puggers, not forming a lot of guild groups, so I’ve had a mix of bad players for sure and did fine.

By: Matt

Matt — Tue, 11 May 2010 10:32:18 +0000

Both tanks were idiots, yes, but we can’t really blame them/us too much. We are fed the endless random heroics where we blast through AoEing several pulls as we run along, never stopping. Do that for a while and some instance that actually require careful killing/crowd control (Halls of Reflection) will come as a shock.

Now that will probably not be the case in Cataclysm as there will likely be crowd control used right from the very first instance.

My new level 80 blood elf mage has never used polymorph once in real action.

By: spinks

spinks — Tue, 11 May 2010 10:01:31 +0000

The thing is, blaming the healer when it wasn’t their fault is another noob tank mistake that I wouldn’t expect an experienced raider to make. Really if you’re raiding, you should know how to take the blame for your own mistakes and fix them.

If you’re setting out to tank a few mobs with pain suppression because you’re bored then that’s another matter

By: Rurjaos

Rurjaos — Tue, 11 May 2010 09:31:59 +0000

Not only ubergeared tanks start to failtank. Almost everyone except healers do so. Kingslayer dying in a laser in HoS-Bran-event? 5.9k GS-ppl dying to Hadranox’ poison. And who do they blame? Yes. The healer. Maybe priests get that cure-dumbness-lifegrip thingi with cataclysm… but they shouldn’t use it too often, Darwin would turn in his grave…

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 11 May 2010 09:25:53 +0000

Similar things happened in Blood Furnace – the randomly-aggroing big dudes just before the last boss. The tank (a DK who had *shock horror* been doing very well up til then) said “get ready, gonna do a big pull”. Well, you can guess how that ended. To be fair to him, he realised they were aggroing randomly, and after we all released and ran back in, took them 2 at a time, and even marked one with a skull :O

Such DK tanks are rare in Outland, alas.