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		<title>By: Gaming News: What&#8217;s hot at E3, APB and the embargo of doom, WAR drops producer, Microsoft still has no sense of humour shock &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shun Tzu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear all,

First of all we spoke here about MMORPG which that mean we will have:

GCD – any MMO need a query to server and an answer back
LEVEL UP – by questing, grinding, etc. in the way to max level 
MMORPG trinity – Tank, DPS/CC, Healer; to allow group quests, instances
PVP – one or all form of : open PvP, Instanced PvP, arena, duels, etc. Players want to measure their force and skills with others, and don’t think any successful MMORPG will ignore that.

If SWTOR will do all these better or worst then WoW, AION, Warhammer just to mention the MMORPG I play, we will see next spring. For me is important how I fill when play those games, and the willing to come back. 
 
I will play the game anyhow, because I like the Old Republic atmosphere (I loved KOTOR series) and I am little beat tired of fantasy. WoW kept me there more then 4 years, if SWTOR will be just WoW in space for me is enough, but I hope to be better.

I don’t see yet my archetype character Rogue, Assassin, Witch hunter, but I think I will play anyhow a force wielder for lore reason. My second choice was the entire time priest, which here will be the consular or inquisitor.  
 
Just my two cents,

message from the dark side there is :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>First of all we spoke here about MMORPG which that mean we will have:</p>
<p>GCD – any MMO need a query to server and an answer back<br />
LEVEL UP – by questing, grinding, etc. in the way to max level<br />
MMORPG trinity – Tank, DPS/CC, Healer; to allow group quests, instances<br />
PVP – one or all form of : open PvP, Instanced PvP, arena, duels, etc. Players want to measure their force and skills with others, and don’t think any successful MMORPG will ignore that.</p>
<p>If SWTOR will do all these better or worst then WoW, AION, Warhammer just to mention the MMORPG I play, we will see next spring. For me is important how I fill when play those games, and the willing to come back. </p>
<p>I will play the game anyhow, because I like the Old Republic atmosphere (I loved KOTOR series) and I am little beat tired of fantasy. WoW kept me there more then 4 years, if SWTOR will be just WoW in space for me is enough, but I hope to be better.</p>
<p>I don’t see yet my archetype character Rogue, Assassin, Witch hunter, but I think I will play anyhow a force wielder for lore reason. My second choice was the entire time priest, which here will be the consular or inquisitor.  </p>
<p>Just my two cents,</p>
<p>message from the dark side there is <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I&#039;m pretty excited about SWTOR (but trying not to get my hopes up too high), that Hope trailer really didn&#039;t do anything for me. Basically, it comes down to having the characters make too many stupid decision throughout.

1) Trooper going into combat without a helmet. I can forgive this as they were trying to make it easier for the viewer to see/identify with him rather than just being a person in a full suit (like the &#039;red shirt&#039; sith).

1a) Not really a stupid decision, but the Trooper barking orders to others (who are likely in radio contact with one another) just looked dumb.

2) After dealing damage to the &#039;boss&#039; sith, the trooper charges... to attack with a knife? Why?

3) Instead of killing him outright for his foolishness, the sith wait until hes conscious and start a ritual killing. Why? They&#039;re not interrogating him or getting anything useful out of putting off his death. He should have been killed just like the other republic troops (which is happening throughout).

4) After being rescued, the &quot;hero&quot; is thrown a new gun... which he immediately discards to (once again) charge the sith. Instead of using a knife this time, however, his genius plan is to detonate an explosive at point blank range while still holding onto it. Why not throw it or just shoot the sith? He was, afterall, entirely focused on killing the jedi.

Some people found it &quot;badass,&quot; but it was too much for me to suspend my disbelief and enjoy. Their first one was /much/ better, imo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m pretty excited about SWTOR (but trying not to get my hopes up too high), that Hope trailer really didn&#8217;t do anything for me. Basically, it comes down to having the characters make too many stupid decision throughout.</p>
<p>1) Trooper going into combat without a helmet. I can forgive this as they were trying to make it easier for the viewer to see/identify with him rather than just being a person in a full suit (like the &#8216;red shirt&#8217; sith).</p>
<p>1a) Not really a stupid decision, but the Trooper barking orders to others (who are likely in radio contact with one another) just looked dumb.</p>
<p>2) After dealing damage to the &#8216;boss&#8217; sith, the trooper charges&#8230; to attack with a knife? Why?</p>
<p>3) Instead of killing him outright for his foolishness, the sith wait until hes conscious and start a ritual killing. Why? They&#8217;re not interrogating him or getting anything useful out of putting off his death. He should have been killed just like the other republic troops (which is happening throughout).</p>
<p>4) After being rescued, the &#8220;hero&#8221; is thrown a new gun&#8230; which he immediately discards to (once again) charge the sith. Instead of using a knife this time, however, his genius plan is to detonate an explosive at point blank range while still holding onto it. Why not throw it or just shoot the sith? He was, afterall, entirely focused on killing the jedi.</p>
<p>Some people found it &#8220;badass,&#8221; but it was too much for me to suspend my disbelief and enjoy. Their first one was /much/ better, imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonething I&#039;ve found kinda interesting is the fact that the more gamer-y sort of companies have tended to be more into showing off their wares at PAX than E3 whereas E3, which is a far more traditional press focused event tends to be more of a platform for the big companies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonething I&#8217;ve found kinda interesting is the fact that the more gamer-y sort of companies have tended to be more into showing off their wares at PAX than E3 whereas E3, which is a far more traditional press focused event tends to be more of a platform for the big companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking forward to SWTOR and I admire them for being really quite brave.

I am planning to get it as soon as it comes out just in case it goes into a Warhammer Online downwards spiral soon after launch.

At it&#039;s heart it does seem to just be a massively single player online game still. Bragging that they&#039;ve tacked on lightsabre Warsong Gulch and wow-style casual crafting doesn&#039;t change the core game.

Grouping sounds comical. Looking forward to picking the dumbest choices in pug groups in the hope of seeing sparks fly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to SWTOR and I admire them for being really quite brave.</p>
<p>I am planning to get it as soon as it comes out just in case it goes into a Warhammer Online downwards spiral soon after launch.</p>
<p>At it&#8217;s heart it does seem to just be a massively single player online game still. Bragging that they&#8217;ve tacked on lightsabre Warsong Gulch and wow-style casual crafting doesn&#8217;t change the core game.</p>
<p>Grouping sounds comical. Looking forward to picking the dumbest choices in pug groups in the hope of seeing sparks fly.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know what you mean about Blizzard. It&#039;s so stupid that Actiblizzard has to turn up at E3 and say NOTHING about all their most popular games. How crazy is that?

This blog is getting hundreds of hits from people searching for &#039;e3 blizzard&#039; this week (it&#039;s because I mentioned both E3 and Cataclysm in gaming news on sunday), and well ... they&#039;re just not there. It really doesn&#039;t help the industry when so many of the big companies prefer to go it alone. Gamers get confused, if nothing else.

Having said that, the same tricked worked very well for Games Workshop. By running their own conventions and own magazines, they raised a whole generation of wargamers who saw themselves as Warhammer players and nothing else. Blizzard is probably aiming to do that same thing. They don&#039;t want gamers. They want WoW/SC players.

I do have some comments on WH40k but basically there&#039;s no way I see it working as a &#039;regular MMO&#039; because you&#039;d have to be nuts to actually want to live in that universe (well maybe if you get to play an inquisitor...). If they can keep a PvP or even RTS type focus then it&#039;ll make a lot of fans very happy -- but how many MMO elements can or should they work in?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean about Blizzard. It&#8217;s so stupid that Actiblizzard has to turn up at E3 and say NOTHING about all their most popular games. How crazy is that?</p>
<p>This blog is getting hundreds of hits from people searching for &#8216;e3 blizzard&#8217; this week (it&#8217;s because I mentioned both E3 and Cataclysm in gaming news on sunday), and well &#8230; they&#8217;re just not there. It really doesn&#8217;t help the industry when so many of the big companies prefer to go it alone. Gamers get confused, if nothing else.</p>
<p>Having said that, the same tricked worked very well for Games Workshop. By running their own conventions and own magazines, they raised a whole generation of wargamers who saw themselves as Warhammer players and nothing else. Blizzard is probably aiming to do that same thing. They don&#8217;t want gamers. They want WoW/SC players.</p>
<p>I do have some comments on WH40k but basically there&#8217;s no way I see it working as a &#8216;regular MMO&#8217; because you&#8217;d have to be nuts to actually want to live in that universe (well maybe if you get to play an inquisitor&#8230;). If they can keep a PvP or even RTS type focus then it&#8217;ll make a lot of fans very happy &#8212; but how many MMO elements can or should they work in?</p>
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		<title>By: dwism</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So, anyone feeling the Force yet?&quot;

Earlier this week i wrote on my own humble blog: &quot;Good luck getting any press now Star Wars!&quot;
Well... Those words have long since been eaten, both the new trailer and the in-game footage, has once again turned me into a believer. (think it also helped that Blizz announced nothing at E3, which is a surprise to me).

What interests me the most in the mmo @ e3 reveals is the warhammer 40k. With the limited sucess that the other warhammer got, what could make a company throw this amount of prestige and money at the 40k version?
I dunno how many like me there is out there, that is very excited about this, because of the hours spent over plastic tables moving little 40k figures around? I&#039;d love to hear your take on that game, if it even got on the radar :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, anyone feeling the Force yet?&#8221;</p>
<p>Earlier this week i wrote on my own humble blog: &#8220;Good luck getting any press now Star Wars!&#8221;<br />
Well&#8230; Those words have long since been eaten, both the new trailer and the in-game footage, has once again turned me into a believer. (think it also helped that Blizz announced nothing at E3, which is a surprise to me).</p>
<p>What interests me the most in the mmo @ e3 reveals is the warhammer 40k. With the limited sucess that the other warhammer got, what could make a company throw this amount of prestige and money at the 40k version?<br />
I dunno how many like me there is out there, that is very excited about this, because of the hours spent over plastic tables moving little 40k figures around? I&#8217;d love to hear your take on that game, if it even got on the radar <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Player housing is always something that&#039;s made me ask &#039;Why?&#039; What does it really add to the game and why are people always so hot to have it despite the fact that when it&#039;s implemented, it&#039;s never really bought anything that interesting to the table and in fact has had a habit of making the game less interesting when it is there. 

The vibe I&#039;m getting off SWTOR is that it&#039;s going to occupy the same sort of niche as LoToR. A well put together game with some interesting stuff and a loyal player base that just isn&#039;t going to be WoW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Player housing is always something that&#8217;s made me ask &#8216;Why?&#8217; What does it really add to the game and why are people always so hot to have it despite the fact that when it&#8217;s implemented, it&#8217;s never really bought anything that interesting to the table and in fact has had a habit of making the game less interesting when it is there. </p>
<p>The vibe I&#8217;m getting off SWTOR is that it&#8217;s going to occupy the same sort of niche as LoToR. A well put together game with some interesting stuff and a loyal player base that just isn&#8217;t going to be WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Jomu</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i love the videos for TOR; i was cringing while watching the Alderran vid and hoping the jedi would win this time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love the videos for TOR; i was cringing while watching the Alderran vid and hoping the jedi would win this time</p>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just said it to jaxom on Twitter, cinematic trailers are by default not the real game. We were already further than that way before E3, we already saw ingame footage of the Jedi and Trooper. Sure, it was not cinematic, but it was really good.

It is interesting how scarce and vague Bioware are with info. I think you are right, the player ship will be player housing and portal to the worlds of the galaxy. Basically, KOTOR&#039;s Ebon Hawk.

I am very sceptical about SWTOR. But maybe this is good. The more I was anti-hyped, the more I usually enjoyed the game in the end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just said it to jaxom on Twitter, cinematic trailers are by default not the real game. We were already further than that way before E3, we already saw ingame footage of the Jedi and Trooper. Sure, it was not cinematic, but it was really good.</p>
<p>It is interesting how scarce and vague Bioware are with info. I think you are right, the player ship will be player housing and portal to the worlds of the galaxy. Basically, KOTOR&#8217;s Ebon Hawk.</p>
<p>I am very sceptical about SWTOR. But maybe this is good. The more I was anti-hyped, the more I usually enjoyed the game in the end.</p>
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