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		<title>By: What's my main Again?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What's my main Again?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shields for me... I&#039;ve had over 20 kills now of BQL and H gunship 10... of those one shield dropped and went to a paladin tank who is now on a break. I&#039;m the Raid Leader and primarily MT... and every other shield using tank has a better one than me. Even a lot of alt tanks...

We&#039;ve see one ring from valithra and one pair of boots. The boots I won but the ring went to our GL and my co druid tank.

LK hasn&#039;t dropped a tanking weapon yet... but I do have the last word unenchanted and sitting in my bank. I prefer facelifter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shields for me&#8230; I&#8217;ve had over 20 kills now of BQL and H gunship 10&#8230; of those one shield dropped and went to a paladin tank who is now on a break. I&#8217;m the Raid Leader and primarily MT&#8230; and every other shield using tank has a better one than me. Even a lot of alt tanks&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve see one ring from valithra and one pair of boots. The boots I won but the ring went to our GL and my co druid tank.</p>
<p>LK hasn&#8217;t dropped a tanking weapon yet&#8230; but I do have the last word unenchanted and sitting in my bank. I prefer facelifter.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;*Jaraxxus’ cloak. Dropped once in 3 months of ToC.&quot;

But we&#039;re not bitter, right? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;*Jaraxxus’ cloak. Dropped once in 3 months of ToC.&#8221;</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re not bitter, right? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ele</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The shield situation is the most ridiculous, I think. The Royal Creast lasted me until I get Wall of terror, some 2 months after we first defeated kel&#039;Thuzud. There not being a tanking shield in Ulduar-25, the Wall of terror lasted me until we got to Trial of the Crusader. 

Over the course of 3 months (i.e. 12 or 13 raids), our DKP database records 7 Barriers going to players. I remember sharding at least 1, probably more (we don&#039;t record disenchants). 

Fast forward to icecrown - still waiting on seeing a single Glacial Wall. While on the subject, still also awaiting seeing a single Devium&#039;s ring. And for goodness sake, will you STOP giving us MORE Last Words, please?

Tanking weapons haven&#039;t been evry well done in the last two tiers, certainly. 2/3 of the iLvl245 weapons originating with Anubarak 10-man hardmode was stupid. Even more when you consider that the ridiculously good weapon that won&#039;t be replaced until the heroic Troggbane, or possibly normal Mithrios, dropped, while the not-brilliant mace required you to get to a Tribute Chest with a certain number of attempts. 

Last Word isn&#039;t popular because it&#039;s a really boring proc. The strength is nice, but we&#039;d have done just as well with a passive +100 strength - that&#039;s what it is, after all. The extra healing proc... meh. It might be doing something, but I sure as anything can&#039;t see any hard evidence. None of the healers admit to noticing any difference. 

Meanwhile, compare it to Nibelung - or &quot;Undead flappy harem staff&quot;, as one of our Shadow priests likes to call hers - you get flappy white obvious pets to come out and smite your enemies. It might not be amazingly effective compared to raw stats, but it&#039;s _fun_ and _unusual_.

If we&#039;re on other rare drops:-
*Gargoyle Spit bracers. Took me a grand total of 27 Deathbringer Saurfang kills spread across 3 characters before I saw these. Thankfully, it was on the right character.
*Heart of Iron. Dropped once in 6 months of Ulduar, one of the few nights when I wasn&#039;t there. 
*Jaraxxus&#039; cloak. Dropped once in 3 months of ToC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shield situation is the most ridiculous, I think. The Royal Creast lasted me until I get Wall of terror, some 2 months after we first defeated kel&#8217;Thuzud. There not being a tanking shield in Ulduar-25, the Wall of terror lasted me until we got to Trial of the Crusader. </p>
<p>Over the course of 3 months (i.e. 12 or 13 raids), our DKP database records 7 Barriers going to players. I remember sharding at least 1, probably more (we don&#8217;t record disenchants). </p>
<p>Fast forward to icecrown &#8211; still waiting on seeing a single Glacial Wall. While on the subject, still also awaiting seeing a single Devium&#8217;s ring. And for goodness sake, will you STOP giving us MORE Last Words, please?</p>
<p>Tanking weapons haven&#8217;t been evry well done in the last two tiers, certainly. 2/3 of the iLvl245 weapons originating with Anubarak 10-man hardmode was stupid. Even more when you consider that the ridiculously good weapon that won&#8217;t be replaced until the heroic Troggbane, or possibly normal Mithrios, dropped, while the not-brilliant mace required you to get to a Tribute Chest with a certain number of attempts. </p>
<p>Last Word isn&#8217;t popular because it&#8217;s a really boring proc. The strength is nice, but we&#8217;d have done just as well with a passive +100 strength &#8211; that&#8217;s what it is, after all. The extra healing proc&#8230; meh. It might be doing something, but I sure as anything can&#8217;t see any hard evidence. None of the healers admit to noticing any difference. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, compare it to Nibelung &#8211; or &#8220;Undead flappy harem staff&#8221;, as one of our Shadow priests likes to call hers &#8211; you get flappy white obvious pets to come out and smite your enemies. It might not be amazingly effective compared to raw stats, but it&#8217;s _fun_ and _unusual_.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re on other rare drops:-<br />
*Gargoyle Spit bracers. Took me a grand total of 27 Deathbringer Saurfang kills spread across 3 characters before I saw these. Thankfully, it was on the right character.<br />
*Heart of Iron. Dropped once in 6 months of Ulduar, one of the few nights when I wasn&#8217;t there.<br />
*Jaraxxus&#8217; cloak. Dropped once in 3 months of ToC.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I knew there had to be one ;)

Actually I&#039;ve always been quite lucky with shield drops in Wrath, so I can&#039;t really complain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew there had to be one <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;ve always been quite lucky with shield drops in Wrath, so I can&#8217;t really complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Everblue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everblue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also - on interfaces generally - I think you&#039;ll need to experiment to see what works best for you. There is a UI forum on tankspot where you can see what addons people use. Try some of those out - Lore (the famous paladin) uses Icehud, for example, which I can&#039;t stand. Try it out to see if you like it. 

Similarly, Powerauras is an addon I use all the time to give me a big, obvious warning of procs, but I know a lot of people who can&#039;t be bothered to spend the time to set up all of the graphics that you need to make it useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also &#8211; on interfaces generally &#8211; I think you&#8217;ll need to experiment to see what works best for you. There is a UI forum on tankspot where you can see what addons people use. Try some of those out &#8211; Lore (the famous paladin) uses Icehud, for example, which I can&#8217;t stand. Try it out to see if you like it. </p>
<p>Similarly, Powerauras is an addon I use all the time to give me a big, obvious warning of procs, but I know a lot of people who can&#8217;t be bothered to spend the time to set up all of the graphics that you need to make it useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[During the entire time we were raiding Naxx, I got exactly 1 drop that I wanted. 

I had to buy my tier with badges. I was still carrying my heroic trinkets and weapons into Ulduar. 

I&#039;m going to cry a little now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the entire time we were raiding Naxx, I got exactly 1 drop that I wanted. </p>
<p>I had to buy my tier with badges. I was still carrying my heroic trinkets and weapons into Ulduar. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to cry a little now.</p>
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		<title>By: Everblue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Everblue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Scrolling combat text&quot; is also really good - you can move those annoying damage/heals numbers to the side of the screen away from your character, and make them smaller.

Addons can be downloaded from Curse Gaming (google it!). I suggest looking at their &quot;most popular&quot; addon list for ideas.

Tankspot is the best warrior site I&#039;ve found. Landsoul has a great &quot;how to&quot; guide for fury, and there&#039;s loads of prot stuff there too. Veneretio&#039;s &quot;Tankingtips.com&quot; is a slightly more philosophical site for the end game tank, and worth checking out when you hit max level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scrolling combat text&#8221; is also really good &#8211; you can move those annoying damage/heals numbers to the side of the screen away from your character, and make them smaller.</p>
<p>Addons can be downloaded from Curse Gaming (google it!). I suggest looking at their &#8220;most popular&#8221; addon list for ideas.</p>
<p>Tankspot is the best warrior site I&#8217;ve found. Landsoul has a great &#8220;how to&#8221; guide for fury, and there&#8217;s loads of prot stuff there too. Veneretio&#8217;s &#8220;Tankingtips.com&#8221; is a slightly more philosophical site for the end game tank, and worth checking out when you hit max level.</p>
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		<title>By: Veneretio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veneretio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I&#039;ve certainly griped during small droughts overall, I&#039;ve always had fantastic luck with weapons. To quote just a few:

- Both Thunderfury bindings in 3 weeks.
- Mallet of the Tides, week 1
- Brutalizer, week 2
- Red Sword of Courage, 1st run
- Ardent Guard, week 2
- Troggbane, week 1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;ve certainly griped during small droughts overall, I&#8217;ve always had fantastic luck with weapons. To quote just a few:</p>
<p>- Both Thunderfury bindings in 3 weeks.<br />
- Mallet of the Tides, week 1<br />
- Brutalizer, week 2<br />
- Red Sword of Courage, 1st run<br />
- Ardent Guard, week 2<br />
- Troggbane, week 1</p>
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		<title>By: blue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some items each iLvl do seem less attainable than others.  At the start of Wrath, KT&#039;s axe was the only tank weapon, and it took me forever to get it.  The tank shield never dropped for me in EoE.

But, I think Blizz did a great job of making more accessible tank weps/shields in the later part of Wrath.  Having the iLvl251 mace and shield drop in the first 3 easily pug&#039;able bosses of ICC10 has made it so that any (and every) yahoo in T9 can get them.  Plus, the iLvl232 sword in the new 5-man is very accessible.  

Bracers on the other hand ... our guild never saw the tank bracers drop of reg Marrowgar, not once.  First drop was the iLvl277 version.  Same for Marrowgar&#039;s caster shield.  At least tanks has shield options in ToC that were easy to get from early bosses.  Casters had to get to Anub in ToC10 of FC in ToC25, neither of which are PuG friendly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some items each iLvl do seem less attainable than others.  At the start of Wrath, KT&#8217;s axe was the only tank weapon, and it took me forever to get it.  The tank shield never dropped for me in EoE.</p>
<p>But, I think Blizz did a great job of making more accessible tank weps/shields in the later part of Wrath.  Having the iLvl251 mace and shield drop in the first 3 easily pug&#8217;able bosses of ICC10 has made it so that any (and every) yahoo in T9 can get them.  Plus, the iLvl232 sword in the new 5-man is very accessible.  </p>
<p>Bracers on the other hand &#8230; our guild never saw the tank bracers drop of reg Marrowgar, not once.  First drop was the iLvl277 version.  Same for Marrowgar&#8217;s caster shield.  At least tanks has shield options in ToC that were easy to get from early bosses.  Casters had to get to Anub in ToC10 of FC in ToC25, neither of which are PuG friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

I&#039;m publishing this comment so that other readers can also make suggestions. 

Tankspot is great. They also made a set of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tankspot%27s+tanking+reference&amp;aq=f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tanking reference videos&lt;/a&gt; (for newbies) which might be useful.

I have a prot warrior guide here which isn&#039;t a bad place to start either. It hasn&#039;t been updated to the current patch but the build and glyphs I suggested are still fine.

With addons, it&#039;s all so much down to what you specifically want to tweak that it&#039;s hard to really make suggestions. If you&#039;re not looking at raiding, some of the things that people most commonly mod are:
player/group/raid frames (eg. xperl, pitbull)
bags
quickbars (bartender)
timers (ntk, dotimer)
damage meters (recount)
auctions (auctioneer, auctionlite)

I&#039;m just giving examples of some of the more common addons I know of there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m publishing this comment so that other readers can also make suggestions. </p>
<p>Tankspot is great. They also made a set of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tankspot%27s+tanking+reference&amp;aq=f" rel="nofollow">tanking reference videos</a> (for newbies) which might be useful.</p>
<p>I have a prot warrior guide here which isn&#8217;t a bad place to start either. It hasn&#8217;t been updated to the current patch but the build and glyphs I suggested are still fine.</p>
<p>With addons, it&#8217;s all so much down to what you specifically want to tweak that it&#8217;s hard to really make suggestions. If you&#8217;re not looking at raiding, some of the things that people most commonly mod are:<br />
player/group/raid frames (eg. xperl, pitbull)<br />
bags<br />
quickbars (bartender)<br />
timers (ntk, dotimer)<br />
damage meters (recount)<br />
auctions (auctioneer, auctionlite)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just giving examples of some of the more common addons I know of there.</p>
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