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		<title>By: In which players start realising that making gold on the WoW AH is ultimately pointless &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/wow-should-the-economy-reset-with-new-expansions/#comment-15440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In which players start realising that making gold on the WoW AH is ultimately pointless &#171; Welcome to Spinksville!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I called this one back in January and suggested that if gold was reset with every expansion, it might keep economic players more [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I called this one back in January and suggested that if gold was reset with every expansion, it might keep economic players more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Economy of WoW</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/wow-should-the-economy-reset-with-new-expansions/#comment-13094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Economy of WoW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recently posted to pose the question of if the WoW Economy should be reset with each new expansion, like how [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently posted to pose the question of if the WoW Economy should be reset with each new expansion, like how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kring</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/wow-should-the-economy-reset-with-new-expansions/#comment-13027</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a lot of stuff that carries over.

 - Reputation with old factions carries over and it&#039;s something you just got by playing the game. Next expansion it might be hard to max out or even impossible. Try to max a raid faction reputation of an old expansion.
 - Removed items carry over like the Naxx drake.
 - Your collection of mounts and pets carry over. Try to get all pets available and you&#039;ll see how much work collecting these old pets are. I still have my Winterspring tiger this expansion.
 - Achievements carry over. Try to get raid achievements for a raid of the last expansion.
 - Your class carries over. You still had a level 80 warrior at the beginning of Cataclysm. If a mage wanted to be able to tank this expansion he would have to level a new char. Yes, he could do that in advance but if gold doesn&#039;t carry over why not let everyone select a new class for her char?
 - Your social connections carry over, which is a valuable asset in an MMORPG. If you were a successful raider you have high changes that your raid still exists or you know enough people to get into another raid. For people who haven&#039;t raided in WotLK it&#039;ll be much more difficult to find a succesful raid.
 - Your tradeskills carry over. It is incredible expensive to level the &quot;profession of the month&quot; from 1.

You might not care about these things but they exist and they carry over, too.

TBC and WotLK had an inflation of about 1000%. I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see the same inflation this add-on especially since the daily quest gold reward wasn&#039;t really increased.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of stuff that carries over.</p>
<p> &#8211; Reputation with old factions carries over and it&#8217;s something you just got by playing the game. Next expansion it might be hard to max out or even impossible. Try to max a raid faction reputation of an old expansion.<br />
 &#8211; Removed items carry over like the Naxx drake.<br />
 &#8211; Your collection of mounts and pets carry over. Try to get all pets available and you&#8217;ll see how much work collecting these old pets are. I still have my Winterspring tiger this expansion.<br />
 &#8211; Achievements carry over. Try to get raid achievements for a raid of the last expansion.<br />
 &#8211; Your class carries over. You still had a level 80 warrior at the beginning of Cataclysm. If a mage wanted to be able to tank this expansion he would have to level a new char. Yes, he could do that in advance but if gold doesn&#8217;t carry over why not let everyone select a new class for her char?<br />
 &#8211; Your social connections carry over, which is a valuable asset in an MMORPG. If you were a successful raider you have high changes that your raid still exists or you know enough people to get into another raid. For people who haven&#8217;t raided in WotLK it&#8217;ll be much more difficult to find a succesful raid.<br />
 &#8211; Your tradeskills carry over. It is incredible expensive to level the &#8220;profession of the month&#8221; from 1.</p>
<p>You might not care about these things but they exist and they carry over, too.</p>
<p>TBC and WotLK had an inflation of about 1000%. I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see the same inflation this add-on especially since the daily quest gold reward wasn&#8217;t really increased.</p>
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		<title>By: nikodhemus</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I&#039;m a day late here, but I wanted to bring up a post I just read from Anaalius.  His last few posts talk about him investing over 500,000 gold in the Dark Moon Card market, as an enourmous gamble essentially hoping to double his investment... and since the past fair, he has earned 280,000 of his investment back.  Essentially, this is a picture of someone making his own game of the Auction House... and to what end?  What could he possibly need that much gold for?  Entertainment, of course!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m a day late here, but I wanted to bring up a post I just read from Anaalius.  His last few posts talk about him investing over 500,000 gold in the Dark Moon Card market, as an enourmous gamble essentially hoping to double his investment&#8230; and since the past fair, he has earned 280,000 of his investment back.  Essentially, this is a picture of someone making his own game of the Auction House&#8230; and to what end?  What could he possibly need that much gold for?  Entertainment, of course!</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember EVE requires you also to have some notion of location, and that some goods will be cheaper in some locations than others. You can actually run a profitable haulage operation in that game. It&#039;s a factor that doesn&#039;t enter the WoW economy at all - you used to be able to make a bit of gold by knowing where rare recipes were on vendors and putting them on the AH but Blizzard stopped letting vendors have rare recipes awhile back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember EVE requires you also to have some notion of location, and that some goods will be cheaper in some locations than others. You can actually run a profitable haulage operation in that game. It&#8217;s a factor that doesn&#8217;t enter the WoW economy at all &#8211; you used to be able to make a bit of gold by knowing where rare recipes were on vendors and putting them on the AH but Blizzard stopped letting vendors have rare recipes awhile back.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can have a title too if you like :) Something like, &quot;I broke the bank in Monte Carlo!&quot;

But really what I hear from people (and what I&#039;ve noticed too) is that the actual process of making the gold can be fun, but only up to a point. People talk about deleting all their gold and starting again, you could just as easily start an alt on a new server to have that experience if you want it. But there is no real economic endgame and during Wrath, even the interesting part of making gold (figuring out what people wanted, making sure you were providing it, second guessing the other traders) was pretty much reduced to a few macros and addons, and a lot of grind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have a title too if you like <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Something like, &#8220;I broke the bank in Monte Carlo!&#8221;</p>
<p>But really what I hear from people (and what I&#8217;ve noticed too) is that the actual process of making the gold can be fun, but only up to a point. People talk about deleting all their gold and starting again, you could just as easily start an alt on a new server to have that experience if you want it. But there is no real economic endgame and during Wrath, even the interesting part of making gold (figuring out what people wanted, making sure you were providing it, second guessing the other traders) was pretty much reduced to a few macros and addons, and a lot of grind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunny bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bunny bunny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ bengstra 

I play Wow mostly for the economic fun of it at this point. I am not alone. It&#039;s hard for folks who don&#039;t enjoy that aspect of life to understand it, but for us it&#039;s loads of fun.

As far as a reset goes, sure. And we can also reset your Kingslayer or other titles. I&#039;ve earned the gold I&#039;ve made, just as you&#039;ve earned other and more public achievements.  It takes work, thought and planning to earn large sums of gold. Why take that from us?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ bengstra </p>
<p>I play Wow mostly for the economic fun of it at this point. I am not alone. It&#8217;s hard for folks who don&#8217;t enjoy that aspect of life to understand it, but for us it&#8217;s loads of fun.</p>
<p>As far as a reset goes, sure. And we can also reset your Kingslayer or other titles. I&#8217;ve earned the gold I&#8217;ve made, just as you&#8217;ve earned other and more public achievements.  It takes work, thought and planning to earn large sums of gold. Why take that from us?</p>
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		<title>By: Naithin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naithin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 00:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recognise that there is a certain degree of cynicism in your comment there, but I find it interesting nonetheless, because I hold a rather opposite view; at least so far as the relative difficulties of the markets in any case.

Certainly the EVE market is more &#039;difficult&#039; if we look at it in terms of what goes into the efficient production if items and getting said items TO the market, but if we were to look strictly at the set of tools the EVE Market and WoW&#039;s Auctionhouse provide (even if we allow for mod&#039;s like Auctioneer / APM) then I see EVE as being the much easier one to manage.

Sure, getting your head around buy orders / sale orders, as opposed to instantly buying/selling (from the aforementioned buy / sell orders) might be initially a little more complex than what the average WoW player is used to, and making use of the Market Data might be a little boggling at first glance, having the options and information available makes the actual decision making process on how to play the market that much easier.

Although even just writing that paragraph, I can see already, I think, why you might consider the EVE side of things to be more difficult.. Still though, after a bit of adjustment it really does make it a lot easier.

Further, I guess for those that just have NO interest in working it all out, they can still achieve the same satisfaction they do now of making some money and feeling they&#039;re &#039;beating&#039; it with the added bonus of now having instant gratification through both purchases AND sales via the orders others have put up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognise that there is a certain degree of cynicism in your comment there, but I find it interesting nonetheless, because I hold a rather opposite view; at least so far as the relative difficulties of the markets in any case.</p>
<p>Certainly the EVE market is more &#8216;difficult&#8217; if we look at it in terms of what goes into the efficient production if items and getting said items TO the market, but if we were to look strictly at the set of tools the EVE Market and WoW&#8217;s Auctionhouse provide (even if we allow for mod&#8217;s like Auctioneer / APM) then I see EVE as being the much easier one to manage.</p>
<p>Sure, getting your head around buy orders / sale orders, as opposed to instantly buying/selling (from the aforementioned buy / sell orders) might be initially a little more complex than what the average WoW player is used to, and making use of the Market Data might be a little boggling at first glance, having the options and information available makes the actual decision making process on how to play the market that much easier.</p>
<p>Although even just writing that paragraph, I can see already, I think, why you might consider the EVE side of things to be more difficult.. Still though, after a bit of adjustment it really does make it a lot easier.</p>
<p>Further, I guess for those that just have NO interest in working it all out, they can still achieve the same satisfaction they do now of making some money and feeling they&#8217;re &#8216;beating&#8217; it with the added bonus of now having instant gratification through both purchases AND sales via the orders others have put up.</p>
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		<title>By: bengstra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bengstra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just eliminate the &quot;economy&quot; game. Make it impossible for one or two people to corner markets. Put caps on everything or limit us to selling to a vendor at a fixed price.

There should simply NEVER be a way for some folks to impact others game time in a paid environment.

The &quot;Economy&quot; game is painful enough in the real world ... I do not need it in my leisure world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just eliminate the &#8220;economy&#8221; game. Make it impossible for one or two people to corner markets. Put caps on everything or limit us to selling to a vendor at a fixed price.</p>
<p>There should simply NEVER be a way for some folks to impact others game time in a paid environment.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Economy&#8221; game is painful enough in the real world &#8230; I do not need it in my leisure world.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The auction house is intentionally broken / inefficient.  If they created a more EVE like system and better balanced professions, the &quot;AH game&quot; would be significantly harder.  They do not want anything in the game to be especially hard, because most people will quit playing when they reach a level of challenge that requires effort.

The AH game is just another mini-game that appeals to a sub-group of WoW players, and is easy enough such that most anyone interested in it can &quot;win&quot;.  Not necessarily gold cap, mind you, but make enough profit to feel like you are beating it.

It&#039;s genius, really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auction house is intentionally broken / inefficient.  If they created a more EVE like system and better balanced professions, the &#8220;AH game&#8221; would be significantly harder.  They do not want anything in the game to be especially hard, because most people will quit playing when they reach a level of challenge that requires effort.</p>
<p>The AH game is just another mini-game that appeals to a sub-group of WoW players, and is easy enough such that most anyone interested in it can &#8220;win&#8221;.  Not necessarily gold cap, mind you, but make enough profit to feel like you are beating it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s genius, really.</p>
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