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		<title>By: rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DGF and I followed the book map for the starting zone, mostly because you can&#039;t go back there once you get to the main world. I don&#039;t plan on looking a whole at guides, unless I get stuck on something. Plus, I am a bit spoiled by WoWwiki for lore and WoWhead for guidance, other games just don&#039;t have that level of dedication from outside sources.

As far classes go, I like what you said about designing, versus simply choosing, you class. It&#039;s true, I see alll sorts of combinations and somepeople will max one souls while others will get good pairings even with a given soul combo. Lots of room to experiment and lots of room to screww up. Thankfully, they already have a respec mechanism in place if you change your mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DGF and I followed the book map for the starting zone, mostly because you can&#8217;t go back there once you get to the main world. I don&#8217;t plan on looking a whole at guides, unless I get stuck on something. Plus, I am a bit spoiled by WoWwiki for lore and WoWhead for guidance, other games just don&#8217;t have that level of dedication from outside sources.</p>
<p>As far classes go, I like what you said about designing, versus simply choosing, you class. It&#8217;s true, I see alll sorts of combinations and somepeople will max one souls while others will get good pairings even with a given soul combo. Lots of room to experiment and lots of room to screww up. Thankfully, they already have a respec mechanism in place if you change your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you sure it isn&#039;t Scurvy?

Sorry to hear about your bout with the Flu, Spinks. My spouse just got over a week of it herself. Absolutely no fun.

The good news is that we have an excellent Epic group mission ready for you upon your return...promise it doesn&#039;t involve any complex formulas and absolutely no rows and columns!

What it does involve, however, is some cosmetic rewards, along with a shiney new title and lots of xp and doubloons.

Don&#039;t forget the two &quot;R&#039;s&quot; to help fight the cruds...

Rest and Rum!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure it isn&#8217;t Scurvy?</p>
<p>Sorry to hear about your bout with the Flu, Spinks. My spouse just got over a week of it herself. Absolutely no fun.</p>
<p>The good news is that we have an excellent Epic group mission ready for you upon your return&#8230;promise it doesn&#8217;t involve any complex formulas and absolutely no rows and columns!</p>
<p>What it does involve, however, is some cosmetic rewards, along with a shiney new title and lots of xp and doubloons.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget the two &#8220;R&#8217;s&#8221; to help fight the cruds&#8230;</p>
<p>Rest and Rum!</p>
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		<title>By: Dril</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dril]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going with a Warrior, (Paladin/Walord/VK, 44/22/0 at max level) to tank with, primarily. 

I think I&#039;ll probably go with a Rogue or Cleric as my alt, and Rogue tanking looks pretty interesting. I&#039;d quite like to try healing on a cleric as well though ^^]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going with a Warrior, (Paladin/Walord/VK, 44/22/0 at max level) to tank with, primarily. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll probably go with a Rogue or Cleric as my alt, and Rogue tanking looks pretty interesting. I&#8217;d quite like to try healing on a cleric as well though ^^</p>
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		<title>By: Dril</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dril]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But what do you want? Do you want a system that means you have to think about your choices and potentially buggers you horribly if you balls it up; or do you want a nice, easy, &quot;there&#039;s only 2 talents I won&#039;t need to pick and they&#039;re both for PvP, that was easy&quot; system that WoW now sports?

Experimentation, consequence and time are the price you pay for a more creative talent tree system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what do you want? Do you want a system that means you have to think about your choices and potentially buggers you horribly if you balls it up; or do you want a nice, easy, &#8220;there&#8217;s only 2 talents I won&#8217;t need to pick and they&#8217;re both for PvP, that was easy&#8221; system that WoW now sports?</p>
<p>Experimentation, consequence and time are the price you pay for a more creative talent tree system.</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rogue for me.

I usually incline towards tanks and healers so I tried the cleric first which is a lot of fun. But the Rogue when I tried it on a friend&#039;s recommendation is absolutely superb, especially the Saboteur.

And then of course I get to be a tank/healer/dps/stealther/pvper in the same character.

The seal on the decision was deciding with a RL friend to play on a pvp server. I think people have forgotten how broken stealth is in world pvp. In an arena you know someone is there somewhere but in world pvp they never know. You can log off and still have them nervously looking over their shoulders for ages. Plus it&#039;s a real boon for escaping being corpse camped.

So Rogue it is. And if I see lfm (full on dps) I&#039;ll just laugh and join the group :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rogue for me.</p>
<p>I usually incline towards tanks and healers so I tried the cleric first which is a lot of fun. But the Rogue when I tried it on a friend&#8217;s recommendation is absolutely superb, especially the Saboteur.</p>
<p>And then of course I get to be a tank/healer/dps/stealther/pvper in the same character.</p>
<p>The seal on the decision was deciding with a RL friend to play on a pvp server. I think people have forgotten how broken stealth is in world pvp. In an arena you know someone is there somewhere but in world pvp they never know. You can log off and still have them nervously looking over their shoulders for ages. Plus it&#8217;s a real boon for escaping being corpse camped.</p>
<p>So Rogue it is. And if I see lfm (full on dps) I&#8217;ll just laugh and join the group <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: azaael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[azaael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to know, I admit. I am partially a minmaxer at heart(even though I&#039;m not a hardass &#039;stop having fun&#039; type), and these days, I have a sorta...limited plate for games at any given times. I tend to really want to know &#039;&#039;is this something that I want in one of those slots&#039;&#039;. Right now I still have WoW which is of course my main game(though I mainly log on, gather, play the AH, raid and log off. Gathering/AH can take a bit. :p) But I also have a couple PSP games running, and three upcoming games that I want(Tactics Ogre PSP, Dissidia 012, and Dragon Age 2). So yeah-another MMO is going to need to be something I *really* want.

Thus, the beta. And yeah, I preordered.

I am actually going to be dual-leveling a Riftstalker/Bladedancer/Something tank rogue and then a Champion/Riftblade/Paragon alongside to see what I want first. I am actually thinking that...somehow, Rift might end up having me choose the rogue over the plate this time(DA2 might as well, the rogues there are just out and out insane if you build them for flat killing.) The idea of tanking as a rogue-a real tank, with parrying, Strength on my leather and all-is just pretty awesome and you just don&#039;t get to do that in games, like, at all. 

Judging by your comments and blogs, you get really into casters if they are the Mezmer/CC type, which I also notice you don&#039;t see a lot these days. You seem to be on top of casters if you can get a Mezmer/CC type; I guess I can be the same with rogue-types of I can get a Monk(not a rogue but lightly armored DPSer)/Brutal type of rogue. (Contrary to popular belief, plate isn&#039;t my first choice-it only ends up being my first choice since barely any game offers my first choices.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to know, I admit. I am partially a minmaxer at heart(even though I&#8217;m not a hardass &#8216;stop having fun&#8217; type), and these days, I have a sorta&#8230;limited plate for games at any given times. I tend to really want to know &#8221;is this something that I want in one of those slots&#8221;. Right now I still have WoW which is of course my main game(though I mainly log on, gather, play the AH, raid and log off. Gathering/AH can take a bit. :p) But I also have a couple PSP games running, and three upcoming games that I want(Tactics Ogre PSP, Dissidia 012, and Dragon Age 2). So yeah-another MMO is going to need to be something I *really* want.</p>
<p>Thus, the beta. And yeah, I preordered.</p>
<p>I am actually going to be dual-leveling a Riftstalker/Bladedancer/Something tank rogue and then a Champion/Riftblade/Paragon alongside to see what I want first. I am actually thinking that&#8230;somehow, Rift might end up having me choose the rogue over the plate this time(DA2 might as well, the rogues there are just out and out insane if you build them for flat killing.) The idea of tanking as a rogue-a real tank, with parrying, Strength on my leather and all-is just pretty awesome and you just don&#8217;t get to do that in games, like, at all. </p>
<p>Judging by your comments and blogs, you get really into casters if they are the Mezmer/CC type, which I also notice you don&#8217;t see a lot these days. You seem to be on top of casters if you can get a Mezmer/CC type; I guess I can be the same with rogue-types of I can get a Monk(not a rogue but lightly armored DPSer)/Brutal type of rogue. (Contrary to popular belief, plate isn&#8217;t my first choice-it only ends up being my first choice since barely any game offers my first choices.)</p>
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		<title>By: dwism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dwism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you on the great and many possibilities that each core class holds, Personally however, I feel that in general the choices are presented very poorly for anyone not willing to spend hours on a website building their perfect class, and specifically I feel that the different warrior choices often clash with each other in ways that make your choices very narrow. Then again, I did not play the beta, to end level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on the great and many possibilities that each core class holds, Personally however, I feel that in general the choices are presented very poorly for anyone not willing to spend hours on a website building their perfect class, and specifically I feel that the different warrior choices often clash with each other in ways that make your choices very narrow. Then again, I did not play the beta, to end level.</p>
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		<title>By: Copra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Copra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh... mistake. My cleric was Inquisitor/Cabalist/Purifier.

And I really do not want to see any websites explaining the puzzles or giving questing guides or explaining the world to the players. Telara is complex enough - and simple enough - for an average player to come in terms with and for fffsss sake, it&#039;s an MMORPG, not some sports in which you have to WIN!

Having fun is winning in RPG and in games. Not being the top performing bad ass, like people think.

C out (again)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; mistake. My cleric was Inquisitor/Cabalist/Purifier.</p>
<p>And I really do not want to see any websites explaining the puzzles or giving questing guides or explaining the world to the players. Telara is complex enough &#8211; and simple enough &#8211; for an average player to come in terms with and for fffsss sake, it&#8217;s an MMORPG, not some sports in which you have to WIN!</p>
<p>Having fun is winning in RPG and in games. Not being the top performing bad ass, like people think.</p>
<p>C out (again)</p>
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		<title>By: Copra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Copra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried a cleric soul set in the last beta and I was sold. Granted, I went for the full dps way, being Inq/Pur/Just. But it worked: the combination of a shadow and holy from WoW seems to click most.

This makes even more sense if you think of the combo I played most in the earlier betas: Pyro/Ele/Archon, basically the same but with different emphasis.

Why is it that the tank classes do not click in this game? Have I been trying it for too long in WoW already?

Anyhow, Rift will be a blast. Will it be enough to pull me away from WoW is another thing.

C out]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried a cleric soul set in the last beta and I was sold. Granted, I went for the full dps way, being Inq/Pur/Just. But it worked: the combination of a shadow and holy from WoW seems to click most.</p>
<p>This makes even more sense if you think of the combo I played most in the earlier betas: Pyro/Ele/Archon, basically the same but with different emphasis.</p>
<p>Why is it that the tank classes do not click in this game? Have I been trying it for too long in WoW already?</p>
<p>Anyhow, Rift will be a blast. Will it be enough to pull me away from WoW is another thing.</p>
<p>C out</p>
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		<title>By: pkudude99</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pkudude99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll be starting as a mage with Elementalist for my primary soul.  Probably grab Stormcaller or Pyromancer as the 2nd and the 3rd will depend on what I end up grabbing as the 2nd -- Archon if Pyro, Dominator if SC.  I like both Pyro and SC from my playing of them, so. . . not a choice I&#039;ll make until the moment of it, I don&#039;t think.

At 13 I&#039;ll quest out my souls as quickly as I can and by 17 I plan to buy a 2nd role and make it a &quot;Chlorlock&quot; so I can be a group healer and run through the Iron Tombs dungeon repeatedly.

It will be a combo Outfitter/Runecrafter for its artisan skills, with Butchering as its only harvesting skill.

I&#039;ll also be making a rogue alt fairly early on -- Ranger/Marksman/Assassin for its 3 souls.  But this one will be more to make into an Artificer to support the mage than to try to level up simultaneously.  But the mage will be able to supply it with leather armor and runes also, so. . I like the synergy between the 2.

I&#039;ll eventually add in a cleric and a warrior too, but that will be down the road a ways, methinks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be starting as a mage with Elementalist for my primary soul.  Probably grab Stormcaller or Pyromancer as the 2nd and the 3rd will depend on what I end up grabbing as the 2nd &#8212; Archon if Pyro, Dominator if SC.  I like both Pyro and SC from my playing of them, so. . . not a choice I&#8217;ll make until the moment of it, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>At 13 I&#8217;ll quest out my souls as quickly as I can and by 17 I plan to buy a 2nd role and make it a &#8220;Chlorlock&#8221; so I can be a group healer and run through the Iron Tombs dungeon repeatedly.</p>
<p>It will be a combo Outfitter/Runecrafter for its artisan skills, with Butchering as its only harvesting skill.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also be making a rogue alt fairly early on &#8212; Ranger/Marksman/Assassin for its 3 souls.  But this one will be more to make into an Artificer to support the mage than to try to level up simultaneously.  But the mage will be able to supply it with leather armor and runes also, so. . I like the synergy between the 2.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll eventually add in a cleric and a warrior too, but that will be down the road a ways, methinks.</p>
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