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	<title>Comments on: [WoW] The million dollar question with patch 4.1/4.2</title>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The community is the soul of a game. For some reason Blizzard has kept doing things that have encouraged the degradation of the community through things like GearScore, DungeonFinder, the Armory -- things that were all PREDICTED when they first appeared by many people as to being toxic to game/server community and player interactions. However, that was irrelevant because &#039;efficiency&#039; was deemed the Number One Important Thing, not only by the hardcore and min/maxing minority but by Blizzard itself, which in turn infected all the lower tiers of players into an entire culture based on that kind of antisocial, numbers-over-people value system.

And that turned many people off. Maybe not enough to hurt subs, but it really did change the game to something many people who had been playing since before Day One (like me) were no longer enjoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community is the soul of a game. For some reason Blizzard has kept doing things that have encouraged the degradation of the community through things like GearScore, DungeonFinder, the Armory &#8212; things that were all PREDICTED when they first appeared by many people as to being toxic to game/server community and player interactions. However, that was irrelevant because &#8216;efficiency&#8217; was deemed the Number One Important Thing, not only by the hardcore and min/maxing minority but by Blizzard itself, which in turn infected all the lower tiers of players into an entire culture based on that kind of antisocial, numbers-over-people value system.</p>
<p>And that turned many people off. Maybe not enough to hurt subs, but it really did change the game to something many people who had been playing since before Day One (like me) were no longer enjoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, this was exactly my feeling when the DF came out. It ruined the game as a &#039;fantasy world&#039; and made Azeroth just a graphical lobby. The game started out as an RPG, but has slowly been shedding all pretense of that and becoming more of an action-adventure game in a fantasy setting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this was exactly my feeling when the DF came out. It ruined the game as a &#8216;fantasy world&#8217; and made Azeroth just a graphical lobby. The game started out as an RPG, but has slowly been shedding all pretense of that and becoming more of an action-adventure game in a fantasy setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;They might well pull something out of their asses-they’re Blizzard, they can indeed do that-&quot;

No company is infallible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They might well pull something out of their asses-they’re Blizzard, they can indeed do that-&#8221;</p>
<p>No company is infallible.</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oultands is very &#039;themepark&#039; in it&#039;s design, there is no organic-ness to it&#039;s layout. I think WotLK did so much better in that regard, but stuff like DungeonFinder and GearScore just ruined things for me. Cata fixed the &#039;5-mans are all about braindead AOE&#039; but there is something in the current game&#039;s design that just stopped clicking with me, and I don&#039;t think it will ever change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oultands is very &#8216;themepark&#8217; in it&#8217;s design, there is no organic-ness to it&#8217;s layout. I think WotLK did so much better in that regard, but stuff like DungeonFinder and GearScore just ruined things for me. Cata fixed the &#8217;5-mans are all about braindead AOE&#8217; but there is something in the current game&#8217;s design that just stopped clicking with me, and I don&#8217;t think it will ever change.</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same here.  My lack of enthusiasm for the game nowadays just doesn&#039;t justify paying 15$ a month just out of nostalgia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here.  My lack of enthusiasm for the game nowadays just doesn&#8217;t justify paying 15$ a month just out of nostalgia.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardent Defender</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardent Defender]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 03:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope! My addicted love affair with WoW has declined much over the years. I&#039;ve taken several breaks over the years only to return each time for a shorter and shorter period. To the point where the love affair is gone and has now been over for several months now. Cataclysm for me lasted barely 2 months. I don&#039;t regret leaving the game which is now permanent. 

WoW has changed much over the years and not for the better in my opinion. The game has changed much and the inside game community has grown into something i detest and hate to see what it has become. I didn&#039;t enjoy it anymore. I decided it was better to go play other MMO and try other things.

So at this point it don&#039;t seem to matter to me much what Blizzard does to put different flavor icing on the cake for WoW. It will never be enough to get me back. 

I still might play future Blizzard games, but WoW for me is not a game I have any plans to resubscribe to. I&#039;ve given WoW 5 years and it won&#039;t get anymore from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope! My addicted love affair with WoW has declined much over the years. I&#8217;ve taken several breaks over the years only to return each time for a shorter and shorter period. To the point where the love affair is gone and has now been over for several months now. Cataclysm for me lasted barely 2 months. I don&#8217;t regret leaving the game which is now permanent. </p>
<p>WoW has changed much over the years and not for the better in my opinion. The game has changed much and the inside game community has grown into something i detest and hate to see what it has become. I didn&#8217;t enjoy it anymore. I decided it was better to go play other MMO and try other things.</p>
<p>So at this point it don&#8217;t seem to matter to me much what Blizzard does to put different flavor icing on the cake for WoW. It will never be enough to get me back. </p>
<p>I still might play future Blizzard games, but WoW for me is not a game I have any plans to resubscribe to. I&#8217;ve given WoW 5 years and it won&#8217;t get anymore from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 02:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When they drop the subscription, I&#039;m back in.  Oh, and if BBB does another &quot;Raid for the X&quot; thing in September, I&#039;ll come back for that.

New endgame stuff won&#039;t help me at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When they drop the subscription, I&#8217;m back in.  Oh, and if BBB does another &#8220;Raid for the X&#8221; thing in September, I&#8217;ll come back for that.</p>
<p>New endgame stuff won&#8217;t help me at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesh</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 02:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I kinda liked low level PvP (and me a staunch PvE soloist)... it really felt like playing WarCraft &quot;in the trenches&quot;, as it were.  I like that aspect of the game.

...then the heirlooms and twinking reared their ugly heads.  Urgle.  Give me normalized PvP, and I&#039;d play it a lot more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda liked low level PvP (and me a staunch PvE soloist)&#8230; it really felt like playing WarCraft &#8220;in the trenches&#8221;, as it were.  I like that aspect of the game.</p>
<p>&#8230;then the heirlooms and twinking reared their ugly heads.  Urgle.  Give me normalized PvP, and I&#8217;d play it a lot more.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing with the gold island is that I was intrigued as to what we were unlocking, I liked being part of unlocking new dailies, and I really liked the bombing run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with the gold island is that I was intrigued as to what we were unlocking, I liked being part of unlocking new dailies, and I really liked the bombing run.</p>
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		<title>By: Utakata</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/wow-the-million-dollar-question-with-patch-4-14-2/#comment-14409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Utakata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right Spinks, as I mentioned that part has got my interest...so I won&#039;t be hangin up WoW until I see what&#039;s it all about. 

But keep in mind, Quel’danas came with one of the best 5 person instances. For us who had no interest and/or gear progression to enter the Sunwell...this was an Elune send. And made that patch much more interesting and inclusive to all walks of life in WoW. It doesn&#039;t appear Firelands is coming with any 5 person whatsoever, making this feel like a playground only for those interested in raiding only. 

But as always, I&#039;ll keep an open mind. Perhaps there&#039;s something I missed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Spinks, as I mentioned that part has got my interest&#8230;so I won&#8217;t be hangin up WoW until I see what&#8217;s it all about. </p>
<p>But keep in mind, Quel’danas came with one of the best 5 person instances. For us who had no interest and/or gear progression to enter the Sunwell&#8230;this was an Elune send. And made that patch much more interesting and inclusive to all walks of life in WoW. It doesn&#8217;t appear Firelands is coming with any 5 person whatsoever, making this feel like a playground only for those interested in raiding only. </p>
<p>But as always, I&#8217;ll keep an open mind. Perhaps there&#8217;s something I missed.</p>
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