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		<title>By: Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free to pay to play to win</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Free to pay to play to win]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I believe Oscar Wilde was talking about EVE when he said &#8220;Ain&#8217;t about the cha-ching, cha-ching, ain&#8217;t about the ba-bling, ba-bling, wanna make the world dance, forget about the price tag&#8221;. Actually, on reflection I&#8217;m not sure Wilde would have tried to rhyme &#8220;dance&#8221; with &#8220;tag&#8221;, maybe it was Mark Twain, but the sentiment[1] seems quite popular amongst many EVE players at the moment thanks to what Spinks rather splendidly (and definitively) titles Monocalypse Now. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I believe Oscar Wilde was talking about EVE when he said &#8220;Ain&#8217;t about the cha-ching, cha-ching, ain&#8217;t about the ba-bling, ba-bling, wanna make the world dance, forget about the price tag&#8221;. Actually, on reflection I&#8217;m not sure Wilde would have tried to rhyme &#8220;dance&#8221; with &#8220;tag&#8221;, maybe it was Mark Twain, but the sentiment[1] seems quite popular amongst many EVE players at the moment thanks to what Spinks rather splendidly (and definitively) titles Monocalypse Now. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15148</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Makes me wonder what Blizzard decided to do behind the scenes with RealID.  Clearly, that whole tech is to mine data and resell it to other companies. So far besides demographic and video game, they only have a small sliver of data (people who like video games also like xyz), but I imagine they&#039;d want to get more info on products (people who like this music genre like zzz).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me wonder what Blizzard decided to do behind the scenes with RealID.  Clearly, that whole tech is to mine data and resell it to other companies. So far besides demographic and video game, they only have a small sliver of data (people who like video games also like xyz), but I imagine they&#8217;d want to get more info on products (people who like this music genre like zzz).</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m looking at this.

Then I&#039;m looking at Team Fortress 2 being given away entirely free with it&#039;s cash shop being filled with fun and flavourful cosmetic gear that you can, if you&#039;re moderately lucky, get in the game anyway. 

And then I&#039;m feeling a little sad for CCP.

Partially cause TF2 has http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking at this.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;m looking at Team Fortress 2 being given away entirely free with it&#8217;s cash shop being filled with fun and flavourful cosmetic gear that you can, if you&#8217;re moderately lucky, get in the game anyway. </p>
<p>And then I&#8217;m feeling a little sad for CCP.</p>
<p>Partially cause TF2 has <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15125</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2011 00:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great title!

I think that CCP need to stand firm. Very few people are actually quitting and this really is a storm in a teacup. You could already pay to win, it&#039;s exactly what the Russian billionaire who set up Red Alliance famously did. And the monocle rage is hilarious.

Consider a pyramid. At the top you have the people who wipe their behinds on £100 bills and will buy $68 monocles just to annoy poor people. Say 0.01%. Just under them you have the people who couldn&#039;t care less about wasting $10 and who would have bought monocles just to annoy people who couldn&#039;t afford them had they gone on sale for $10. Then you have the 99% of people under that who wouldn&#039;t waste the money even if it was &quot;good value&quot;.

It&#039;s the second category that have started the bandwagon. It&#039;s not people like me who would never actually wear one. It&#039;s the people who wanted to buy it but couldn;t because it was too expensive. Nothing is worse for vain people than to have their noses rubbed in the fact that other people out there are richer and more vain and can get cooler stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great title!</p>
<p>I think that CCP need to stand firm. Very few people are actually quitting and this really is a storm in a teacup. You could already pay to win, it&#8217;s exactly what the Russian billionaire who set up Red Alliance famously did. And the monocle rage is hilarious.</p>
<p>Consider a pyramid. At the top you have the people who wipe their behinds on £100 bills and will buy $68 monocles just to annoy poor people. Say 0.01%. Just under them you have the people who couldn&#8217;t care less about wasting $10 and who would have bought monocles just to annoy people who couldn&#8217;t afford them had they gone on sale for $10. Then you have the 99% of people under that who wouldn&#8217;t waste the money even if it was &#8220;good value&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the second category that have started the bandwagon. It&#8217;s not people like me who would never actually wear one. It&#8217;s the people who wanted to buy it but couldn;t because it was too expensive. Nothing is worse for vain people than to have their noses rubbed in the fact that other people out there are richer and more vain and can get cooler stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Melponeme_k</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melponeme_k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To CCP, welcome to the Ayn Rand world you so love.

If they want to survive, they must back down.

To players of all games, you don&#039;t have to sit back and take the derision many game developers show to you.

It is the person who pays for dinner who usually has the upper hand.  And we all are paying for that dinner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To CCP, welcome to the Ayn Rand world you so love.</p>
<p>If they want to survive, they must back down.</p>
<p>To players of all games, you don&#8217;t have to sit back and take the derision many game developers show to you.</p>
<p>It is the person who pays for dinner who usually has the upper hand.  And we all are paying for that dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: ironyca</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aligned with Dril&#039;s comment, this quote stuck out to me: 

&quot;I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.&quot;

I get the impression this implies that players (as if this group is completely uniform) complained and then turned around and paid anyways. I&#039;m sure the vast majority of the players speaking against it, didn&#039;t buy it either and If we are talking about what players -actually did-, that was to NOT buy the monocle (with only 52 sold). 

An excellent post Spinks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aligned with Dril&#8217;s comment, this quote stuck out to me: </p>
<p>&#8220;I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.&#8221;</p>
<p>I get the impression this implies that players (as if this group is completely uniform) complained and then turned around and paid anyways. I&#8217;m sure the vast majority of the players speaking against it, didn&#8217;t buy it either and If we are talking about what players -actually did-, that was to NOT buy the monocle (with only 52 sold). </p>
<p>An excellent post Spinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ratshag</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15120</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think this is one of my more inspired blog titles&quot;

Is a freakin&#039; awesome title.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think this is one of my more inspired blog titles&#8221;</p>
<p>Is a freakin&#8217; awesome title.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blizzard caved on Real ID for the forums because people were quitting.  I doubt EVE will see anywhere near the same reaction over this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blizzard caved on Real ID for the forums because people were quitting.  I doubt EVE will see anywhere near the same reaction over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kierbuu</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/eve-monocalypse-now/#comment-15118</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 11:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep thinking about this scene from &quot;Futurama&quot; everytime this subject comes up.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?title=interest&amp;videoId=156547 ...about 1 minute in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep thinking about this scene from &#8220;Futurama&#8221; everytime this subject comes up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?title=interest&#038;videoId=156547" rel="nofollow">http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?title=interest&#038;videoId=156547</a> &#8230;about 1 minute in.</p>
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		<title>By: Dril</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s so much wrong with their viewpoint it&#039;s actually quite frightening.

&quot;years from now this is what people will remember.&quot;

If they genuinely believe EVE will be remembered for a single (and, actually, pretty sparse) cabin that&#039;s taken 6 months to be developed, I don&#039;t know where to go with that. I was drawn to EVE (and I&#039;d imagine a great many others were as well) at the prospect of a full, player-controlled universe, not by walking around a totally irrelevant room that&#039;s actually reduced in functionality from its predecessor. In 6 months other games have developed whole zones that have more content per square meter than EVE&#039;s lonely little cabin does. It&#039;s a pathetic offering, not a breakthrough of immense proportions. 

&quot;After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles&quot;

In a game of 300,000+? That&#039;s not good, Chuck. Can you imagine if Blizzard sold (52*15; the rough equivalent of items per user in the West) just 780 sparkle lions in the first 40 hours? It would be a catastrophe, not a brilliant sale. It suggests not only how overpriced it is, but also how little people care about something that *no one else will see*.

&quot;This should not come as a surprise to anyone.&quot;

O&#039;rly? Because I thought CCP&#039;s view was:
&quot;EVE will never have microtransactions.&quot; 
But then:
&quot;Microtransactions will DEFINITELY ONLY JUST BE COSMETIC. PROMISE. XXXXX.&quot;

Explain to me why people should have expected you to outright lie. Or, rather, why people should ever trust you again, since evidently everyone should be unsurprised when you do a U-Turn.

&quot;All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.&quot;

What he doesn&#039;t seem to understand is that he did all this without costing the players more. Perhaps CCP need to hire people who actually play the game, not economics professors.

It&#039;s incredible just how far CCP have plummeted in my estimation as devs. For a brief period I had them right up there, when I started to really enjoy EVE.

Now, they&#039;re worse than Astrum Nival and gpotato.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so much wrong with their viewpoint it&#8217;s actually quite frightening.</p>
<p>&#8220;years from now this is what people will remember.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they genuinely believe EVE will be remembered for a single (and, actually, pretty sparse) cabin that&#8217;s taken 6 months to be developed, I don&#8217;t know where to go with that. I was drawn to EVE (and I&#8217;d imagine a great many others were as well) at the prospect of a full, player-controlled universe, not by walking around a totally irrelevant room that&#8217;s actually reduced in functionality from its predecessor. In 6 months other games have developed whole zones that have more content per square meter than EVE&#8217;s lonely little cabin does. It&#8217;s a pathetic offering, not a breakthrough of immense proportions. </p>
<p>&#8220;After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles&#8221;</p>
<p>In a game of 300,000+? That&#8217;s not good, Chuck. Can you imagine if Blizzard sold (52*15; the rough equivalent of items per user in the West) just 780 sparkle lions in the first 40 hours? It would be a catastrophe, not a brilliant sale. It suggests not only how overpriced it is, but also how little people care about something that *no one else will see*.</p>
<p>&#8220;This should not come as a surprise to anyone.&#8221;</p>
<p>O&#8217;rly? Because I thought CCP&#8217;s view was:<br />
&#8220;EVE will never have microtransactions.&#8221;<br />
But then:<br />
&#8220;Microtransactions will DEFINITELY ONLY JUST BE COSMETIC. PROMISE. XXXXX.&#8221;</p>
<p>Explain to me why people should have expected you to outright lie. Or, rather, why people should ever trust you again, since evidently everyone should be unsurprised when you do a U-Turn.</p>
<p>&#8220;All that said, I couldn’t be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.&#8221;</p>
<p>What he doesn&#8217;t seem to understand is that he did all this without costing the players more. Perhaps CCP need to hire people who actually play the game, not economics professors.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredible just how far CCP have plummeted in my estimation as devs. For a brief period I had them right up there, when I started to really enjoy EVE.</p>
<p>Now, they&#8217;re worse than Astrum Nival and gpotato.</p>
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