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		<title>By: ellori</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ellori]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick rule of thumb is, if the rezzer has to run back, so do you.  If not, then don&#039;t.  That&#039;s basically it.  

It&#039;s considered pretty douchebag behavior to lie there relaxing while the healer runs back, sits down to get some mana, rezzes you, heals you up, then sits down again to get some more mana.  

If the rezzer is right there alive and well, then it&#039;s a waste of time making everyone wait while you run back.  The only time you need to do so is if there is no one alive to rez you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick rule of thumb is, if the rezzer has to run back, so do you.  If not, then don&#8217;t.  That&#8217;s basically it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s considered pretty douchebag behavior to lie there relaxing while the healer runs back, sits down to get some mana, rezzes you, heals you up, then sits down again to get some more mana.  </p>
<p>If the rezzer is right there alive and well, then it&#8217;s a waste of time making everyone wait while you run back.  The only time you need to do so is if there is no one alive to rez you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mittenz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mittenz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shamans never SAY when they can pop and res people, and I have a quick trigger finger on that release button when I can see it is a wipe. When I&#039;m alive and ressing people, I prioritise and res first people who can help me res, then mana users especially if I know they have a lot to do to get combat-ready (warlocks omg I need my pet and my mana and my soulstone and my healthstone and my soul shards and to buff myself and my pet and DI someone omg).

I&#039;ve had people run back mid-boss-fight and save the day, thanks, random warrior in Grim Batol who died twice but enabled us to finish the fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shamans never SAY when they can pop and res people, and I have a quick trigger finger on that release button when I can see it is a wipe. When I&#8217;m alive and ressing people, I prioritise and res first people who can help me res, then mana users especially if I know they have a lot to do to get combat-ready (warlocks omg I need my pet and my mana and my soulstone and my healthstone and my soul shards and to buff myself and my pet and DI someone omg).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had people run back mid-boss-fight and save the day, thanks, random warrior in Grim Batol who died twice but enabled us to finish the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: anexxia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anexxia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent comment, Delurm.

This specific quality of the playerbase -- the arrogance and aggressive one-upmanship and cookiecutterizing of what&#039;s considered to be good-- is what has turned me off from LFG, and overall decreased my play time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment, Delurm.</p>
<p>This specific quality of the playerbase &#8212; the arrogance and aggressive one-upmanship and cookiecutterizing of what&#8217;s considered to be good&#8211; is what has turned me off from LFG, and overall decreased my play time.</p>
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		<title>By: Imakulata</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Imakulata]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought there was a consensus on whether to run or not and a simple one too: Either nobody runs or everyone does. I. e. if there is a resser alive or can self-res as the shaman, they will res everyone; if everyone capable of ressing dies, all dead people run.

Sometimes, you don&#039;t get ressed even if you normally would but it is usually due to two reasons:
1) The ressers decided to be rude to you (either they&#039;re just rude or they are fed up with your behaviour).
2) The ressers are busy; res takes about 10 seconds and some time to restore mana - if there is no pause between combat or if it diverted their attention from other group members who are pushing forward, they might not be able to res you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought there was a consensus on whether to run or not and a simple one too: Either nobody runs or everyone does. I. e. if there is a resser alive or can self-res as the shaman, they will res everyone; if everyone capable of ressing dies, all dead people run.</p>
<p>Sometimes, you don&#8217;t get ressed even if you normally would but it is usually due to two reasons:<br />
1) The ressers decided to be rude to you (either they&#8217;re just rude or they are fed up with your behaviour).<br />
2) The ressers are busy; res takes about 10 seconds and some time to restore mana &#8211; if there is no pause between combat or if it diverted their attention from other group members who are pushing forward, they might not be able to res you.</p>
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		<title>By: Telwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Telwyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our guild in WoW is very much close friends and &#039;friends of friends&#039; so we generally don&#039;t have any problems with this. I do think everyone should run if it&#039;s a full wipe but of course I and our other healers will res without any fuss if we survive a partial-wipe. 

As for the community in WoW I agree with others that it&#039;s super-competitive. We tolerate zero pressure re: progression in the guild - the game is a game and we play to have fun not to achieve any goals/timetable set by Blizzard or any other players. We recently recruited someone after running some heroics with them and in the end it didn&#039;t work out - they left since we&#039;re not running heroics often enough for the VP. No hard feelings on our side and understandable but for me personally and the other leaders in the guild this almost fanatical drive towards progress is just something alien to our idea of a game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our guild in WoW is very much close friends and &#8216;friends of friends&#8217; so we generally don&#8217;t have any problems with this. I do think everyone should run if it&#8217;s a full wipe but of course I and our other healers will res without any fuss if we survive a partial-wipe. </p>
<p>As for the community in WoW I agree with others that it&#8217;s super-competitive. We tolerate zero pressure re: progression in the guild &#8211; the game is a game and we play to have fun not to achieve any goals/timetable set by Blizzard or any other players. We recently recruited someone after running some heroics with them and in the end it didn&#8217;t work out &#8211; they left since we&#8217;re not running heroics often enough for the VP. No hard feelings on our side and understandable but for me personally and the other leaders in the guild this almost fanatical drive towards progress is just something alien to our idea of a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Melponeme_k</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melponeme_k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted so much to prove how great a player I was that I quit this game.

The game simultaneously encourages group play but at the same time sets players against one another.  The attitude from Blizzard has been a bit backstabby to the people/players who pay them money.  I think people are starting to wise up and leave.  Not in great masses but enough that Blizzard had to turn LvL1-20 free and give free weeks to the ones who left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted so much to prove how great a player I was that I quit this game.</p>
<p>The game simultaneously encourages group play but at the same time sets players against one another.  The attitude from Blizzard has been a bit backstabby to the people/players who pay them money.  I think people are starting to wise up and leave.  Not in great masses but enough that Blizzard had to turn LvL1-20 free and give free weeks to the ones who left.</p>
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		<title>By: Delurm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Delurm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“…WoW really is quite phenomenal (and not in a good way) by how pressured everyone feels to prove that they’re ‘a good player’”

This is because the playerbase, culture, and devs all have put forth a mighty effort to belittle anyone that is not perfect.  The word &#039;bads&#039; and &#039;fail&#039; and &#039;don&#039;t stand in the fire&#039; go along with &#039;hardcore&#039; and &#039;hard modes&#039;.

Combine this with mathematical matrices required to gear/enchant properly with an addon that analyzes all of that into a nice neat number - and if you aren&#039;t high enough - then you don&#039;t measure up.

Further on top of this add in a built in ranking system that shows your &#039;overall gear level&#039; and fights that are tuned so tight at the high end that the overall description of the encounters is &#039;synchronized dancing&#039;.

Put all of this together in a pot and you get an MMO where

a)  The rest of the gaming world considers the worst part of the game not the game - but the players

b)  Players that are so paranoid of being labeled &#039;a bad&#039; that they are paranoid and at the same time vicious to others in an attempt to prove how much you are &#039;a bad&#039; before you can label them.

And here is how pervasive that this culture is - 3 out of 4 of the WoW *specific* blogs that I read have talked about &#039;the bads&#039; (yes just like that - or &#039;a baddie&#039;) just in the past 2 weeks.

Words matter - they carry weight - and this kind of culture is self destructive - when asking what will kill WoW - it won&#039;t be the gameplay - the game is fun - it won&#039;t be Blizzard - it is the players themselves - although I put Bliz at a close second as they encourage this culture - just look at the names of the achievements - and yes I know that they are &#039;sarcastic&#039; - but Bliz is the authority figure in this relationship and when they use the terms they legitimize them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…WoW really is quite phenomenal (and not in a good way) by how pressured everyone feels to prove that they’re ‘a good player’”</p>
<p>This is because the playerbase, culture, and devs all have put forth a mighty effort to belittle anyone that is not perfect.  The word &#8216;bads&#8217; and &#8216;fail&#8217; and &#8216;don&#8217;t stand in the fire&#8217; go along with &#8216;hardcore&#8217; and &#8216;hard modes&#8217;.</p>
<p>Combine this with mathematical matrices required to gear/enchant properly with an addon that analyzes all of that into a nice neat number &#8211; and if you aren&#8217;t high enough &#8211; then you don&#8217;t measure up.</p>
<p>Further on top of this add in a built in ranking system that shows your &#8216;overall gear level&#8217; and fights that are tuned so tight at the high end that the overall description of the encounters is &#8216;synchronized dancing&#8217;.</p>
<p>Put all of this together in a pot and you get an MMO where</p>
<p>a)  The rest of the gaming world considers the worst part of the game not the game &#8211; but the players</p>
<p>b)  Players that are so paranoid of being labeled &#8216;a bad&#8217; that they are paranoid and at the same time vicious to others in an attempt to prove how much you are &#8216;a bad&#8217; before you can label them.</p>
<p>And here is how pervasive that this culture is &#8211; 3 out of 4 of the WoW *specific* blogs that I read have talked about &#8216;the bads&#8217; (yes just like that &#8211; or &#8216;a baddie&#8217;) just in the past 2 weeks.</p>
<p>Words matter &#8211; they carry weight &#8211; and this kind of culture is self destructive &#8211; when asking what will kill WoW &#8211; it won&#8217;t be the gameplay &#8211; the game is fun &#8211; it won&#8217;t be Blizzard &#8211; it is the players themselves &#8211; although I put Bliz at a close second as they encourage this culture &#8211; just look at the names of the achievements &#8211; and yes I know that they are &#8216;sarcastic&#8217; &#8211; but Bliz is the authority figure in this relationship and when they use the terms they legitimize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Melfina the Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melfina the Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It depends on how the fight is going whether I run or not. But if I&#039;m healing, I always run, and I always rez. 

And yesh on the grinding thing. I figured out that between hyjal dailies and running instances on two characters, I could be playing for several hours each night just doing &quot;Chores&quot;. Bugger that for a game of soldiers, I&#039;ll do that if I&#039;ve nothing better to do, but if something more fun comes along, well, it&#039;s a game!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends on how the fight is going whether I run or not. But if I&#8217;m healing, I always run, and I always rez. </p>
<p>And yesh on the grinding thing. I figured out that between hyjal dailies and running instances on two characters, I could be playing for several hours each night just doing &#8220;Chores&#8221;. Bugger that for a game of soldiers, I&#8217;ll do that if I&#8217;ve nothing better to do, but if something more fun comes along, well, it&#8217;s a game!</p>
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		<title>By: Stubborn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stubborn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 23:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a wipe, if someone doesn&#039;t run back, I rez them and ask them to please run back with the rest of us next time.  I&#039;m not snotty about it, and I rez them first so they know it&#039;s not meant to be a threat, but I like to share the wealth when it comes to pointless running around (you&#039;re right - why hasn&#039;t WoW adopted that LotRO feature?).  If someone dies during a pull or boss fight that we finish, I rez them without comment (unless it&#039;s to apologize if I feel I caused their  death).  I&#039;ve never heard of or seen a healer refuse to rez in that circumstance.  Arsey indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a wipe, if someone doesn&#8217;t run back, I rez them and ask them to please run back with the rest of us next time.  I&#8217;m not snotty about it, and I rez them first so they know it&#8217;s not meant to be a threat, but I like to share the wealth when it comes to pointless running around (you&#8217;re right &#8211; why hasn&#8217;t WoW adopted that LotRO feature?).  If someone dies during a pull or boss fight that we finish, I rez them without comment (unless it&#8217;s to apologize if I feel I caused their  death).  I&#8217;ve never heard of or seen a healer refuse to rez in that circumstance.  Arsey indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: kiantremayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiantremayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Rift, every calling now has a rez available. By the time a character is level 50, there&#039;s very little excuse not so have a spec with bard/chloromancer/paladin/some sort of cleric healing in at least ONE of your slots. I&#039;m not saying people should have to run the entire dungeon in one of those specs if they&#039;d rather be DPS... but they should at least have it available so they can take their turn rezzing.

On the other hand, if everyone in the group is that competent and thoughtful you probably won&#039;t NEED to take turns rezzing :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Rift, every calling now has a rez available. By the time a character is level 50, there&#8217;s very little excuse not so have a spec with bard/chloromancer/paladin/some sort of cleric healing in at least ONE of your slots. I&#8217;m not saying people should have to run the entire dungeon in one of those specs if they&#8217;d rather be DPS&#8230; but they should at least have it available so they can take their turn rezzing.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if everyone in the group is that competent and thoughtful you probably won&#8217;t NEED to take turns rezzing <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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