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		<title>By: Capella</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Capella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please post spoiler-tagged updates about how your Warrior is doing, I&#039;m curious to see how other people are playing theirs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please post spoiler-tagged updates about how your Warrior is doing, I&#8217;m curious to see how other people are playing theirs!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the upside, I preordered just a couple of weeks ago and got in on wednesday.

On the downside, I&#039;m already regretting I bought the game at all.   I don&#039;t see myself continuing to play even for the free month.  It just isn&#039;t keeping my interest.

Oh well.  Since this seems to have killed Rift (a game that depends on there being a critical mass for world events), I&#039;ll probably be drifting back to WoW at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the upside, I preordered just a couple of weeks ago and got in on wednesday.</p>
<p>On the downside, I&#8217;m already regretting I bought the game at all.   I don&#8217;t see myself continuing to play even for the free month.  It just isn&#8217;t keeping my interest.</p>
<p>Oh well.  Since this seems to have killed Rift (a game that depends on there being a critical mass for world events), I&#8217;ll probably be drifting back to WoW at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: kiantremayne</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I pre-ordered through Origin - no problems for me, at least. Got my code as soon as I pre-ordered and entered it. I&#039;m really not seeing any great issue, apart from the fact that Bioware didn&#039;t let everyone in at once and some very vocal people don&#039;t like having to wait in line. And just be clear - I&#039;m fully behind Bioware in how they&#039;ve handled this because from a capacity management perspective letting this many people in wolud have been a nightmare. No other game has had anything remotely like SWTOR&#039;s numbers to cope with at launch (not even WoW, and WoW had a lot of load problems at launch).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pre-ordered through Origin &#8211; no problems for me, at least. Got my code as soon as I pre-ordered and entered it. I&#8217;m really not seeing any great issue, apart from the fact that Bioware didn&#8217;t let everyone in at once and some very vocal people don&#8217;t like having to wait in line. And just be clear &#8211; I&#8217;m fully behind Bioware in how they&#8217;ve handled this because from a capacity management perspective letting this many people in wolud have been a nightmare. No other game has had anything remotely like SWTOR&#8217;s numbers to cope with at launch (not even WoW, and WoW had a lot of load problems at launch).</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 07:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[personally, I pre-ordered because I wanted to make sure that my copy arrives on launch day without me having to go to the physical store.  on amazon, as I usually do.  I was charged identical price to what i would have payed had I gone into a physical shop, or ordered after launch. I did however get faster shipping at lower price then normal, becasue amazon charges less for release day delivery vs their prime shipping. no idea why.  I wasn&#039;t charged for my copy a single penny, until it was actually shipped.  and considering that pretty much every single AAA title in the last couple of years (not counting expansions) cost those same 60 bucks?

I didn&#039;t get in on a first day.  I was actually surprised when I got my access on Thursday rather then Friday.  and I think complaining is utterly ridiculous.

unless they were complaining about horrific issues with origin codes and pre-orders.  several people I know were having issues with registering their codes. EA really need to stabilize that damn thing before making it their exclusive method of digital distribution]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally, I pre-ordered because I wanted to make sure that my copy arrives on launch day without me having to go to the physical store.  on amazon, as I usually do.  I was charged identical price to what i would have payed had I gone into a physical shop, or ordered after launch. I did however get faster shipping at lower price then normal, becasue amazon charges less for release day delivery vs their prime shipping. no idea why.  I wasn&#8217;t charged for my copy a single penny, until it was actually shipped.  and considering that pretty much every single AAA title in the last couple of years (not counting expansions) cost those same 60 bucks?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get in on a first day.  I was actually surprised when I got my access on Thursday rather then Friday.  and I think complaining is utterly ridiculous.</p>
<p>unless they were complaining about horrific issues with origin codes and pre-orders.  several people I know were having issues with registering their codes. EA really need to stabilize that damn thing before making it their exclusive method of digital distribution</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t say they were horrible, evil and bad. I do think that pre-order deals/ offers/ discounts are getting increasingly confusing though. 

SWTOR is also an example of a PC game that&#039;s costing more than the usual AAA PC game price (the usual sort of price for an amazon AAA PC game preorder has been around £25 for awhile now, games like SWTOR and Diablo 3 have been over £30). The pre-order model used to be that you ordered early to get a discount. The current model is that you order early to get some cosmetic bonus and a chance to play in beta/ early start. So while some retailers do still offer pre-order discounts in an attempt to compete, that model is dying. 

But it shouldn&#039;t really surprise anyone, given the old model, that someone might hunt around for a shop which did offer a pre-order discount instead of the frills. I still maintain everyone else was pushed into paying over the odds for the early start/ yellow crystal :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say they were horrible, evil and bad. I do think that pre-order deals/ offers/ discounts are getting increasingly confusing though. </p>
<p>SWTOR is also an example of a PC game that&#8217;s costing more than the usual AAA PC game price (the usual sort of price for an amazon AAA PC game preorder has been around £25 for awhile now, games like SWTOR and Diablo 3 have been over £30). The pre-order model used to be that you ordered early to get a discount. The current model is that you order early to get some cosmetic bonus and a chance to play in beta/ early start. So while some retailers do still offer pre-order discounts in an attempt to compete, that model is dying. </p>
<p>But it shouldn&#8217;t really surprise anyone, given the old model, that someone might hunt around for a shop which did offer a pre-order discount instead of the frills. I still maintain everyone else was pushed into paying over the odds for the early start/ yellow crystal :p</p>
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		<title>By: Pardoz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if EA had followed the increasingly-standard (especially in digital distribution) model of charging the full price up-front for pre-orders, you wouldn&#039;t have gotten the incomplete/open box/floor model 5 dollar discount.

EA, in other words, are evil horrible and bad for being less evil, horrible, and bad than the industry standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if EA had followed the increasingly-standard (especially in digital distribution) model of charging the full price up-front for pre-orders, you wouldn&#8217;t have gotten the incomplete/open box/floor model 5 dollar discount.</p>
<p>EA, in other words, are evil horrible and bad for being less evil, horrible, and bad than the industry standard.</p>
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		<title>By: DraconianOne</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some (smaller, independent?) suppliers weren&#039;t given pre-order codes but major retailers (as listed on the SWTOR website) were. The prices on those official sites ranged from £33 (Zavvi) to £40+ (GAME). Buying the game through Origin cost you full whack - £50 or something. Origin charged what they called a pre-order fee (actually a deposit if you read the support pages closely - don&#039;t know why people didn&#039;t) as did ordering in a physical GAME store. Ordering online with GAME or Zavvi didn&#039;t require a deposit.

Honestly - the whole thing about paying more for early access is a myth.

Also, the pre-order codes aren&#039;t tied to an order so if you pre-ordered, got the code and then cancelled the order, you could still redeem the code.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some (smaller, independent?) suppliers weren&#8217;t given pre-order codes but major retailers (as listed on the SWTOR website) were. The prices on those official sites ranged from £33 (Zavvi) to £40+ (GAME). Buying the game through Origin cost you full whack &#8211; £50 or something. Origin charged what they called a pre-order fee (actually a deposit if you read the support pages closely &#8211; don&#8217;t know why people didn&#8217;t) as did ordering in a physical GAME store. Ordering online with GAME or Zavvi didn&#8217;t require a deposit.</p>
<p>Honestly &#8211; the whole thing about paying more for early access is a myth.</p>
<p>Also, the pre-order codes aren&#8217;t tied to an order so if you pre-ordered, got the code and then cancelled the order, you could still redeem the code.</p>
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		<title>By: ZombiePirate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Internet! The only place where smartass answers are retorted by even smarterass answers! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet! The only place where smartass answers are retorted by even smarterass answers! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tarbh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not a £5 charge for everyone else, it&#039;s a £5 discount for you.  Presumably offered because they realised everyone knew there were pre-order items available and the copies they were selling didn&#039;t have them, so they needed to offer an incentive or have no sales (except for non-clued in parents/relatives/non-gamers buying presents).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a £5 charge for everyone else, it&#8217;s a £5 discount for you.  Presumably offered because they realised everyone knew there were pre-order items available and the copies they were selling didn&#8217;t have them, so they needed to offer an incentive or have no sales (except for non-clued in parents/relatives/non-gamers buying presents).</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, my basis is that I was able to find a shop that charged me £5 less for my copy /because/ there was no preorder bonus even though it was a preorder (I assume they&#039;d only been provided with a limited supply of preorder codes.)

So from my perspective, everyone else was charged for their preorder code. I wasn&#039;t because I got it from another source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, my basis is that I was able to find a shop that charged me £5 less for my copy /because/ there was no preorder bonus even though it was a preorder (I assume they&#8217;d only been provided with a limited supply of preorder codes.)</p>
<p>So from my perspective, everyone else was charged for their preorder code. I wasn&#8217;t because I got it from another source.</p>
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