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	<title>Comments on: [SWTOR] Notes on bonus missions, slicing nerfs, did WoW ruin PUGS?</title>
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		<title>By: SwtorPvP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SwtorPvP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pugs in this game atleast on my server seem to be ok. Do not get me wrong I have also had some bad pugs. Me being a tank and having a dps pull before I do really sucks cause threat is really weird in this game. Also if you want to skip dialoge let the group know or make your on speed group.

PvP need a lot of work before it can compete with other games. Tab targeting only works so well and to click and target someone is rather bothersome. I do also think there need to be level brackets. Me being mid 40&#039;s going against someone level 13 just doenst seem fair. 

Slicing got nerfed bad IMO, so much so I droped it, It was a great money maker but now you are barley breaking even with the creidts you spend for the missons themselves. Check out my blog on here http://swtorhealer.wordpress.com/ give me some advice and such please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pugs in this game atleast on my server seem to be ok. Do not get me wrong I have also had some bad pugs. Me being a tank and having a dps pull before I do really sucks cause threat is really weird in this game. Also if you want to skip dialoge let the group know or make your on speed group.</p>
<p>PvP need a lot of work before it can compete with other games. Tab targeting only works so well and to click and target someone is rather bothersome. I do also think there need to be level brackets. Me being mid 40&#8242;s going against someone level 13 just doenst seem fair. </p>
<p>Slicing got nerfed bad IMO, so much so I droped it, It was a great money maker but now you are barley breaking even with the creidts you spend for the missons themselves. Check out my blog on here <a href="http://swtorhealer.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://swtorhealer.wordpress.com/</a> give me some advice and such please.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My second essles run was with a pug and I had a fine time.  One of the guys had been through 3 times he said and still hadn&#039;t defeated the first &quot;boss&quot;.  We got through it on our second try with me healing and giving pointers.  We had a great time.  But if it were another group like you describe, I can see people leaving and criticizing the one guy instead of giving him pointers.

So, you think the people that are too lazy to properly check the price on the DTM are not going to be too lazy to download an auctioneer map?  Those are likely the people you describe who don&#039;t care about playing a market and just want the stuff to sell.

I&#039;m not sure I agree about the slicing nerf being needed.  Slicers were the ones who might pay crafters for their goods or mats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My second essles run was with a pug and I had a fine time.  One of the guys had been through 3 times he said and still hadn&#8217;t defeated the first &#8220;boss&#8221;.  We got through it on our second try with me healing and giving pointers.  We had a great time.  But if it were another group like you describe, I can see people leaving and criticizing the one guy instead of giving him pointers.</p>
<p>So, you think the people that are too lazy to properly check the price on the DTM are not going to be too lazy to download an auctioneer map?  Those are likely the people you describe who don&#8217;t care about playing a market and just want the stuff to sell.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree about the slicing nerf being needed.  Slicers were the ones who might pay crafters for their goods or mats.</p>
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		<title>By: ZombiePirate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZombiePirate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hutball is a lot of fun once you learn the map and the various routes around all the ramps. Only problem is the imbalances you can get in team levels, even with the bolstering of stats. I had a match yesterday where 5 out of 9 opponents were Sith Inquisitors (myself being a Sith Warrior) and lightning was just flying all over the place. Getting chain stunned while getting lightning to the face is annoying, so is the get ball, bubble, force speed scoring tactics. Get the ball into the hands of a level 50 SI and you seem guaranteed to score. That doesn&#039;t stop me from trying though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hutball is a lot of fun once you learn the map and the various routes around all the ramps. Only problem is the imbalances you can get in team levels, even with the bolstering of stats. I had a match yesterday where 5 out of 9 opponents were Sith Inquisitors (myself being a Sith Warrior) and lightning was just flying all over the place. Getting chain stunned while getting lightning to the face is annoying, so is the get ball, bubble, force speed scoring tactics. Get the ball into the hands of a level 50 SI and you seem guaranteed to score. That doesn&#8217;t stop me from trying though.</p>
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		<title>By: kiantremayne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiantremayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I&#039;ve run eight to ten Flashpoints so far in live TOR (i.e. not counting the times I did Black Talon on beta weekends), mostly Black Talon on various alts but also Athiss and a couple of goes at Mandalorian Raiders - I seem to have skipped Hammer Station on my main. I&#039;ve had one group with a guy who insisted everyone hit space to go faster - who then dropped group suddenly part way through and we completed with three people and had a much more relaxed and fun time chatting away as we did so. 

I&#039;ve had two other PuGs with issues - one guy who ran off solo on Black Talon while the rest of us were fighting the bonus boss, got killed and dropped group (again, we finished with three and had a laugh in the process) and one group that just got killed repeatedly by the enemy boarding part in Mandalorian Raiders (before it was changed so you could CC them, and I have a feeling the merc healing the group wasn&#039;t very good at the job). The majority of the groups have been good though - slightly better ratio than I experienced in Rift and hellaciously better than the last time I played WoW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve run eight to ten Flashpoints so far in live TOR (i.e. not counting the times I did Black Talon on beta weekends), mostly Black Talon on various alts but also Athiss and a couple of goes at Mandalorian Raiders &#8211; I seem to have skipped Hammer Station on my main. I&#8217;ve had one group with a guy who insisted everyone hit space to go faster &#8211; who then dropped group suddenly part way through and we completed with three people and had a much more relaxed and fun time chatting away as we did so. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had two other PuGs with issues &#8211; one guy who ran off solo on Black Talon while the rest of us were fighting the bonus boss, got killed and dropped group (again, we finished with three and had a laugh in the process) and one group that just got killed repeatedly by the enemy boarding part in Mandalorian Raiders (before it was changed so you could CC them, and I have a feeling the merc healing the group wasn&#8217;t very good at the job). The majority of the groups have been good though &#8211; slightly better ratio than I experienced in Rift and hellaciously better than the last time I played WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: We Fly Spitfires</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[We Fly Spitfires]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the most part, I&#039;ve found the groups to be pretty decent and way better than in WoW. Of course, that could be because I&#039;m on a RP server and/or because the game is new. I remember when Cataclysm came out and everyone was taking the dungeons nice and slow :) We&#039;ll see what happens in a few weeks time but I&#039;m hoping the community doesn&#039;t disintegrate once the initial shine of running the Flashpoints wears off,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the most part, I&#8217;ve found the groups to be pretty decent and way better than in WoW. Of course, that could be because I&#8217;m on a RP server and/or because the game is new. I remember when Cataclysm came out and everyone was taking the dungeons nice and slow <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  We&#8217;ll see what happens in a few weeks time but I&#8217;m hoping the community doesn&#8217;t disintegrate once the initial shine of running the Flashpoints wears off,</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah. I think the latter has more to do it with it than anything to do with WoW. 

The problem with including a lot of story heavy stuff in instances is that you have to grind them. Because that&#039;s how MMO&#039;s work, apparently. 

The first time, the cutscene or dialogue or whatever is pretty cool. 

The second time, if there&#039;s a choice? Maybe you get to see the other one.

The third time, people start to develop a certain amount of irritation the person who&#039;s forcing them to wait around while they watch them. 

Additionally, people won&#039;t read a 45 word quest text half the time. I&#039;m not sure everyone is going to actually watch the things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah. I think the latter has more to do it with it than anything to do with WoW. </p>
<p>The problem with including a lot of story heavy stuff in instances is that you have to grind them. Because that&#8217;s how MMO&#8217;s work, apparently. </p>
<p>The first time, the cutscene or dialogue or whatever is pretty cool. </p>
<p>The second time, if there&#8217;s a choice? Maybe you get to see the other one.</p>
<p>The third time, people start to develop a certain amount of irritation the person who&#8217;s forcing them to wait around while they watch them. </p>
<p>Additionally, people won&#8217;t read a 45 word quest text half the time. I&#8217;m not sure everyone is going to actually watch the things.</p>
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		<title>By: Pardoz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pardoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a note, some planetary bonus series (Nar Shaddaa and Alderaan come to mind) open up much later than the rest of the planet - you&#039;ll know a lower-level planet bonus series has opened up when you get a class quest to return to your factional fleet (there will be a breadcrumb quest waiting near the class trainers there).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a note, some planetary bonus series (Nar Shaddaa and Alderaan come to mind) open up much later than the rest of the planet &#8211; you&#8217;ll know a lower-level planet bonus series has opened up when you get a class quest to return to your factional fleet (there will be a breadcrumb quest waiting near the class trainers there).</p>
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		<title>By: Iloveholyshield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iloveholyshield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It takes time for people to learn the prices and for the prices to converge on a stable equilibrium.  The profit margin you are mentioning is a limited time opportunity, wait and it will be gone.  Since I don&#039;t play SW:TOR, I have no idea if your estimate of the possible profit is accurate or not, but I do know that the prices converge over time after expansions/patches/retail releases in MMOs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes time for people to learn the prices and for the prices to converge on a stable equilibrium.  The profit margin you are mentioning is a limited time opportunity, wait and it will be gone.  Since I don&#8217;t play SW:TOR, I have no idea if your estimate of the possible profit is accurate or not, but I do know that the prices converge over time after expansions/patches/retail releases in MMOs.</p>
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		<title>By: Blimp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blimp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had a similar experience with group content: heroic quests are great, flashpoints suck with people pressing others to skip dialogues.  But it isn&#039;t due to WoW, waiting 10 minutes because some random dude is listening to dialogues gets old pretty fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a similar experience with group content: heroic quests are great, flashpoints suck with people pressing others to skip dialogues.  But it isn&#8217;t due to WoW, waiting 10 minutes because some random dude is listening to dialogues gets old pretty fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbeard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redbeard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how much of the flashpoint/instance plague is from WoW, and how much is from XBox Live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much of the flashpoint/instance plague is from WoW, and how much is from XBox Live.</p>
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