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	<title>Comments on: [EQ2] In which EU players get the shaft</title>
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		<title>By: Genda</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/eq2-in-which-eu-players-get-the-shaft/#comment-17499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Genda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I&#039;m not really shocked)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m not really shocked)</p>
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		<title>By: Genda</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/eq2-in-which-eu-players-get-the-shaft/#comment-17498</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Genda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m shocked that SOE could be so insensitive to their customers. 

SOE has proven time and again that they only care about their business model and don&#039;t do anything to accommodate unless the backlash is huge.  Even then they still do what they want just in a way where they can say they did it for the players.

I understand the need to make money.  Believe me I do.  I just don&#039;t get how one company can so consistently come at it from just the wrong angle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked that SOE could be so insensitive to their customers. </p>
<p>SOE has proven time and again that they only care about their business model and don&#8217;t do anything to accommodate unless the backlash is huge.  Even then they still do what they want just in a way where they can say they did it for the players.</p>
<p>I understand the need to make money.  Believe me I do.  I just don&#8217;t get how one company can so consistently come at it from just the wrong angle.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think splitting a community up by selling off their servers/subs to another company several years after launch is in a different type of category to just providing worse service to non-US regions though tbh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think splitting a community up by selling off their servers/subs to another company several years after launch is in a different type of category to just providing worse service to non-US regions though tbh.</p>
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		<title>By: silvertemplar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silvertemplar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and SWTOR haven&#039;t even launched outside the US and EU , despite EA having EA/Origin stores for many more regions.  

This is when you learn how to game the stupid regional systems these entertainment companies have (and then you wonder why they even bother).

I wonder why companies don&#039;t go the Arenanet/Guildwars route with server instances, that worked wonderfully to cross-over between EU/Asia/US/Aus without ever having to &quot;transfer characters&quot; or &quot;re-roll on a different server&quot; etc etc. 

If companies want to create that critical mass, like the &quot;facebook effect&quot; , they can NOT do this mini isolated server nonsense, you must create a sense that you can reach/play with/contact anyone who is playing the game (not only the random people who happens to be on the same 2000-10000 user server as yourself)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and SWTOR haven&#8217;t even launched outside the US and EU , despite EA having EA/Origin stores for many more regions.  </p>
<p>This is when you learn how to game the stupid regional systems these entertainment companies have (and then you wonder why they even bother).</p>
<p>I wonder why companies don&#8217;t go the Arenanet/Guildwars route with server instances, that worked wonderfully to cross-over between EU/Asia/US/Aus without ever having to &#8220;transfer characters&#8221; or &#8220;re-roll on a different server&#8221; etc etc. </p>
<p>If companies want to create that critical mass, like the &#8220;facebook effect&#8221; , they can NOT do this mini isolated server nonsense, you must create a sense that you can reach/play with/contact anyone who is playing the game (not only the random people who happens to be on the same 2000-10000 user server as yourself)</p>
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		<title>By: Stabs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stabs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I can be an honorary American because I already have characters? The only real impact may be that it becomes more expensive to buy Station Cash. So I&#039;d better not buy any.

Well done Sony!

More seriously it would be a pain if I wanted to raid with people in my time zone but that&#039;s not how I play EQ2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I can be an honorary American because I already have characters? The only real impact may be that it becomes more expensive to buy Station Cash. So I&#8217;d better not buy any.</p>
<p>Well done Sony!</p>
<p>More seriously it would be a pain if I wanted to raid with people in my time zone but that&#8217;s not how I play EQ2.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/eq2-in-which-eu-players-get-the-shaft/#comment-17473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking for Oceanic players, I have this tiny violin that I like to play sometimes, while I look at my latency and think of the trials and tribulations of EU players.

It is a very small violin indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking for Oceanic players, I have this tiny violin that I like to play sometimes, while I look at my latency and think of the trials and tribulations of EU players.</p>
<p>It is a very small violin indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Telwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Telwyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bad news I fear. My experiences of split management of games in regions has been of delayed patches and poor news propagation. One thing to like about the SoE game stable was the one account for multiple games and this will split this apart as not all games are being offloaded. 

Yet again Europe gets the shaft for being the wrong side of the Atlantic. If I could I&#039;d just give up and move to the US as I&#039;m fed up of feeling like an afterthought to the gaming industry...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad news I fear. My experiences of split management of games in regions has been of delayed patches and poor news propagation. One thing to like about the SoE game stable was the one account for multiple games and this will split this apart as not all games are being offloaded. </p>
<p>Yet again Europe gets the shaft for being the wrong side of the Atlantic. If I could I&#8217;d just give up and move to the US as I&#8217;m fed up of feeling like an afterthought to the gaming industry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bhagpuss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bhagpuss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I started a reply but I have too much to say so I&#039;m off to post about it on my own blog.

Suffice it to say this is the single most stupid decision they&#039;ve made since NGE, and I give them half a pass on that because LucasArts were calling the shots then, so that makes this THE stupidest decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started a reply but I have too much to say so I&#8217;m off to post about it on my own blog.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say this is the single most stupid decision they&#8217;ve made since NGE, and I give them half a pass on that because LucasArts were calling the shots then, so that makes this THE stupidest decision.</p>
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		<title>By: NoAstronomer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NoAstronomer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;However, I think they’ve proven quite clearly in the past that they don’t mind pissing off some existing customers if they think they can attract more new ones in future&quot;

I don&#039;t see how this attracts new customers in the future. I would have phrased that as:

However, I think they’ve proven quite clearly in the past that they don’t mind pissing off some existing customers if they can show a short-term revenue gain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, I think they’ve proven quite clearly in the past that they don’t mind pissing off some existing customers if they think they can attract more new ones in future&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how this attracts new customers in the future. I would have phrased that as:</p>
<p>However, I think they’ve proven quite clearly in the past that they don’t mind pissing off some existing customers if they can show a short-term revenue gain.</p>
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		<title>By: vanhemlock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vanhemlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s all very dissapointing. As a UK based &#039;EU&#039; player, the &#039;culture of my region&#039; tends to be a wildly diverse community many of whom speak languages I haven&#039;t the faintest idea how to understand. I also have a lot of US online friends. Sometimes I wish that folks would realise that the United Kingdom being in Europe really is nothing like California being in the United States.

Thinking back to Codemaster&#039;s past problematic handling of Turbine&#039;s games in EU, (Lotro and DDO especially) it&#039;s very difficult to be optimistic about this move. I&#039;m fairly sure that the &#039;Exchange&#039; servers they passed off to Live Gamer Inc are desolate ghost towns these days, or were when I looked. (http://howtomurdertime.com/blog/2011/08/05/valuations.html)

I do like the lower ping times of localised servers, but not being compartmentalised off from other players of the game for corporate reasons.

It&#039;s good that I can still get at existing EQ2 characters, but it really is making think twice about future games from SOE, when usually, I take these SOE-isms in my stride.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all very dissapointing. As a UK based &#8216;EU&#8217; player, the &#8216;culture of my region&#8217; tends to be a wildly diverse community many of whom speak languages I haven&#8217;t the faintest idea how to understand. I also have a lot of US online friends. Sometimes I wish that folks would realise that the United Kingdom being in Europe really is nothing like California being in the United States.</p>
<p>Thinking back to Codemaster&#8217;s past problematic handling of Turbine&#8217;s games in EU, (Lotro and DDO especially) it&#8217;s very difficult to be optimistic about this move. I&#8217;m fairly sure that the &#8216;Exchange&#8217; servers they passed off to Live Gamer Inc are desolate ghost towns these days, or were when I looked. (<a href="http://howtomurdertime.com/blog/2011/08/05/valuations.html" rel="nofollow">http://howtomurdertime.com/blog/2011/08/05/valuations.html</a>)</p>
<p>I do like the lower ping times of localised servers, but not being compartmentalised off from other players of the game for corporate reasons.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that I can still get at existing EQ2 characters, but it really is making think twice about future games from SOE, when usually, I take these SOE-isms in my stride.</p>
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