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		<title>By: Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Terry you slag you nicked the leg of time, give it back before you get a slap</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/swtor-in-which-we-raid-and-in-which-factional-timelines-confuse-me/#comment-17811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Terry you slag you nicked the leg of time, give it back before you get a slap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] accompanying other players around the world. Things are even more confusing across factions, as Spinks mentioned, due to visiting planets at different points in their timelines (or possibly alternate versions of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] accompanying other players around the world. Things are even more confusing across factions, as Spinks mentioned, due to visiting planets at different points in their timelines (or possibly alternate versions of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/swtor-in-which-we-raid-and-in-which-factional-timelines-confuse-me/#comment-17602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a side note, everything about the various character storylines is far, far better if you play as a fat guy.

So many chubby dude makeouts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, everything about the various character storylines is far, far better if you play as a fat guy.</p>
<p>So many chubby dude makeouts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyrion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought I saw in one of your comments that you are using the Vengeance spec?  I&#039;m leveling a dps Jugg and was wondering if you had any details on how Veng is for raiding?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I saw in one of your comments that you are using the Vengeance spec?  I&#8217;m leveling a dps Jugg and was wondering if you had any details on how Veng is for raiding?</p>
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		<title>By: Tarbh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tarbh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, that&#039;s a fairly MAJOR spoiler, buried right in the middle of text.  Can you delete, please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, that&#8217;s a fairly MAJOR spoiler, buried right in the middle of text.  Can you delete, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The man in the coon-skin cap by the big pen wants eleven dollar bills, you only got ten</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/swtor-in-which-we-raid-and-in-which-factional-timelines-confuse-me/#comment-17598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Killed in a Smiling Accident. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The man in the coon-skin cap by the big pen wants eleven dollar bills, you only got ten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] after I hit 50 the guild had a run planned, I had a couple of spare hours, and it turned out to be rather fun. Plenty of clustering up and running away and hopping over stepping stones and pushing buttons, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after I hit 50 the guild had a run planned, I had a couple of spare hours, and it turned out to be rather fun. Plenty of clustering up and running away and hopping over stepping stones and pushing buttons, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: foolsage</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[foolsage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s one SWTOR story point that&#039;s causing a lot of confusion between factions now. I don&#039;t want to explicitly spoil it, but there&#039;s one class story that leads to what appears to be a confrontation with the Emperor. What actually happens is revealed in a DIFFERENT class story, meaning class A thinks one thing happened, while class B finds out what really happened. Naturally as a result, many players of class A are convinced that something happened that really did not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one SWTOR story point that&#8217;s causing a lot of confusion between factions now. I don&#8217;t want to explicitly spoil it, but there&#8217;s one class story that leads to what appears to be a confrontation with the Emperor. What actually happens is revealed in a DIFFERENT class story, meaning class A thinks one thing happened, while class B finds out what really happened. Naturally as a result, many players of class A are convinced that something happened that really did not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rohan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s why I had my whole &lt;a href=&quot;http://blessingofkings.blogspot.com/2012/01/swtor-through-glass-darkly.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;mirror universes&quot; theory&lt;/a&gt;.

I still think that makes far more sense than the idea that the two factions are in the same timeline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I had my whole <a href="http://blessingofkings.blogspot.com/2012/01/swtor-through-glass-darkly.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;mirror universes&#8221; theory</a>.</p>
<p>I still think that makes far more sense than the idea that the two factions are in the same timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it mostly makes sense if you base it on the principal that the Jedi Knight storyline, because holy crap some of the things you do there once you get past the boring, boring first third,  is essentially Kotor 3  and work outwards from there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it mostly makes sense if you base it on the principal that the Jedi Knight storyline, because holy crap some of the things you do there once you get past the boring, boring first third,  is essentially Kotor 3  and work outwards from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Delurm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Delurm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so glad to hear this - I&#039;m an alt-aholic anymore so my highest level character is only 36 - and I&#039;ve not really had any rush to hit end game so I&#039;ve been playing &#039;smell the roses&#039; alot - but this gives me hope that the end game here &#039;gets it&#039;.

Growing up in Everquest hard core raiding - even then it wasn&#039;t as hard core as WoW became.  

To me - a perfect raid allows you to make mistakes - the wipe happens because *too many* mistakes are made - and in WoW too often the &#039;normal&#039; mode tuning was such that one mistake was enough to kill the raid.  It certainly was in 10 man - where the loss of a single person was crippling.  The raids were so tightly tuned that if you didn&#039;t overgear the raid vastly - everyone had to be on game.

I never had the issue with someone who wasn&#039;t perfect DPS - the issue was someone who (due to lag, misfourtune, or just bad mario skills) would miss a &#039;gimmick&#039; part of the dance and instantly be dead.  This is frustrating.  I always thought it was the moments when someone makes a mistake and you recover to a win - to be the most fun.  I also found that people who played &#039;hybrids&#039; got the chance to shine at that moment - everyone always talked about how they needed the hybrid to be a perfect replacement for the &#039;healer/tank/dps&#039; slot they were taking - but I counted the times when our MT died and the feral druid was able to switch to bear and keep the raid going *just long enough* to beat the boss - that kind of thing is epic.

When the raid is so fine tuned you can shave with it - those moments are lost, and the ability to relax with your friends goes out the window :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad to hear this &#8211; I&#8217;m an alt-aholic anymore so my highest level character is only 36 &#8211; and I&#8217;ve not really had any rush to hit end game so I&#8217;ve been playing &#8216;smell the roses&#8217; alot &#8211; but this gives me hope that the end game here &#8216;gets it&#8217;.</p>
<p>Growing up in Everquest hard core raiding &#8211; even then it wasn&#8217;t as hard core as WoW became.  </p>
<p>To me &#8211; a perfect raid allows you to make mistakes &#8211; the wipe happens because *too many* mistakes are made &#8211; and in WoW too often the &#8216;normal&#8217; mode tuning was such that one mistake was enough to kill the raid.  It certainly was in 10 man &#8211; where the loss of a single person was crippling.  The raids were so tightly tuned that if you didn&#8217;t overgear the raid vastly &#8211; everyone had to be on game.</p>
<p>I never had the issue with someone who wasn&#8217;t perfect DPS &#8211; the issue was someone who (due to lag, misfourtune, or just bad mario skills) would miss a &#8216;gimmick&#8217; part of the dance and instantly be dead.  This is frustrating.  I always thought it was the moments when someone makes a mistake and you recover to a win &#8211; to be the most fun.  I also found that people who played &#8216;hybrids&#8217; got the chance to shine at that moment &#8211; everyone always talked about how they needed the hybrid to be a perfect replacement for the &#8216;healer/tank/dps&#8217; slot they were taking &#8211; but I counted the times when our MT died and the feral druid was able to switch to bear and keep the raid going *just long enough* to beat the boss &#8211; that kind of thing is epic.</p>
<p>When the raid is so fine tuned you can shave with it &#8211; those moments are lost, and the ability to relax with your friends goes out the window <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Skaggy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skaggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something I noticed as I tried not to keep dying was how good the graphics were even for parts of the raid you couldn&#039;t enter, i wish i had taken a screenshot as we crossed the various bridges as I thought the vista was amazing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I noticed as I tried not to keep dying was how good the graphics were even for parts of the raid you couldn&#8217;t enter, i wish i had taken a screenshot as we crossed the various bridges as I thought the vista was amazing.</p>
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