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	<title>Comments on: [SWTOR] It&#8217;s a new day, it&#8217;s a new patch</title>
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		<title>By: depizan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[depizan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This.  How they phrased it was really unfortunate.  I&#039;ve been there pretty much from launch, but I&#039;m another who doesn&#039;t do the rush to 50 thing, and I&#039;m a casual player.  Why is my $15 a month less valuable than someone who hit 50?  (Or, in their re-vamp, someone who&#039;s hit legacy level 6.)

I don&#039;t really care about the free month - it makes no difference to my budget one way or the other.  But the phrasing was majorly WTFy.  Excuse me, but I&#039;ve shown support and loyalty, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This.  How they phrased it was really unfortunate.  I&#8217;ve been there pretty much from launch, but I&#8217;m another who doesn&#8217;t do the rush to 50 thing, and I&#8217;m a casual player.  Why is my $15 a month less valuable than someone who hit 50?  (Or, in their re-vamp, someone who&#8217;s hit legacy level 6.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really care about the free month &#8211; it makes no difference to my budget one way or the other.  But the phrasing was majorly WTFy.  Excuse me, but I&#8217;ve shown support and loyalty, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/swtor-its-a-new-day-its-a-new-patch/#comment-18253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t want a free month. Now I have to keep playing D:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t want a free month. Now I have to keep playing D:</p>
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		<title>By: High-five, Bioware. &#171; thade&#039;s Hammer</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/swtor-its-a-new-day-its-a-new-patch/#comment-18241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[High-five, Bioware. &#171; thade&#039;s Hammer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Spinks posted a great write up with link sand details re: 1.2 if you want more than I&#8217;m giving  you here (and  you actually, for some unknowable reason, haven&#8217;t seen anything yet). She also discusses something that is both disappointing and predictable&#8230;the whole &#8220;people bitching about the free 30-days thing.&#8221; Here are my thoughts: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Spinks posted a great write up with link sand details re: 1.2 if you want more than I&#8217;m giving  you here (and  you actually, for some unknowable reason, haven&#8217;t seen anything yet). She also discusses something that is both disappointing and predictable&#8230;the whole &#8220;people bitching about the free 30-days thing.&#8221; Here are my thoughts: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: repgrind</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[repgrind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dunno, maybe I&#039;m easy to please, but the slight disappointment over not getting a free month because I&#039;m &#039;only&#039; level 47 was completely overridden by OMG TAUNTAUN PETZZZZZZZZ.

Being able to rearrange and resize the UI elements was a wonderful addition, and I had some fun on my warrior with the /agent emote. Oh, and BoE hoverbikes made by cybertechs! I have two of those already. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, maybe I&#8217;m easy to please, but the slight disappointment over not getting a free month because I&#8217;m &#8216;only&#8217; level 47 was completely overridden by OMG TAUNTAUN PETZZZZZZZZ.</p>
<p>Being able to rearrange and resize the UI elements was a wonderful addition, and I had some fun on my warrior with the /agent emote. Oh, and BoE hoverbikes made by cybertechs! I have two of those already. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DraconianOne</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/swtor-its-a-new-day-its-a-new-patch/#comment-18238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DraconianOne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The exact phrase was &quot;most-valued&quot; player who they were thanking and rewarding for their &quot;support and loyalty&quot;. Yes it may well be a thinly veiled retention incentive but it&#039;s so poorly worded that they&#039;ve ended up insulting long term players who don&#039;t have a level 50 yet. &quot;Implications unpleasant&quot; indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exact phrase was &#8220;most-valued&#8221; player who they were thanking and rewarding for their &#8220;support and loyalty&#8221;. Yes it may well be a thinly veiled retention incentive but it&#8217;s so poorly worded that they&#8217;ve ended up insulting long term players who don&#8217;t have a level 50 yet. &#8220;Implications unpleasant&#8221; indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/swtor-its-a-new-day-its-a-new-patch/#comment-18237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://dragonchasers.com/2012/04/13/bioware-no-good-deed-goes-unpunished/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pete@Dragonchasers&lt;/a&gt; also reckons that part of the reaction is around how this was presented and if they hadn&#039;t used the phrase &quot;valued customers&quot; people would have been more likely to shrug and accept it. I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dragonchasers.com/2012/04/13/bioware-no-good-deed-goes-unpunished/" rel="nofollow">Pete@Dragonchasers</a> also reckons that part of the reaction is around how this was presented and if they hadn&#8217;t used the phrase &#8220;valued customers&#8221; people would have been more likely to shrug and accept it. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: rimecat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rimecat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m one of the people they targeted with the free month, and I&#039;m really not thrilled by it.  Yes, I appreciate the effort but I&#039;m not convinced that in two weeks, when the new dailies have been milked for all they can provide, that I&#039;ll have any reason to log into the game.  Any MMO requires time sinks.  This can be progression raiding, PvP, achievements, reputations, collections, etc.  I&#039;m a casual PvPer and I&#039;m not a raider - people pay me to do PM and SE so I have no interest in it as a hobby.  That&#039;s not much of a problem in WoW or RIFT, they both have quite a bit to do at level other than raid or do organized PvP.  In fairness to BioWare, this was really the &quot;here&#039;s the game we wanted to launch but EA wouldn&#039;t give us time&quot; patch but they still need to address the structural weakness.

In SW:TOR there is no reputation to grind, no collections, not much in the way of achievements, and no real daily structure.  Yes, there are dailies on three planets but if you are at all organized you&#039;ve gained all they have to offer in a few weeks - assuming Corellia follows the pattern of Belsavis and Illum.  How long did it take to complete the Firelands dailies, or even to grind your faction in the Twilight Highlands to max to gain the gear?  I don&#039;t see much reason to run the Flashpoints, unless you enjoy that run or are helping a guildmate, once you have the drops as you aren&#039;t grinding points to purchase better gear as in WoW or RIFT.  And money isn&#039;t an issue.  Ignoring the GTN my main had 2M credits when he hit 50 - space missions are high profit.  It feels like I&#039;m in a tiny sandbox in the middle of a theme park.  The game is clearly designed to lead players though content, until 50 when it&#039;s telling you to find something to do.

What sold many people on SW:TOR was story.  That is expensive and very rapidly consumed in an MMO.  It may also become, I think, a noose for BioWare.  Having been a GM in tabletop RPGs since the early &#039;80s I have to admit that I was shaking my head in dismay when my Inquisitor became a member of the Dark Council.  Where are they going to go from here?  I&#039;m one of the 12 most powerful people in the Empire.  I have fleets and armies at my disposal.  Why am I going to accept some insignificant planetary governor giving me lip?  They may surprise me, but I&#039;m not going to hold my breath until 1.3 is announced - and if this doesn&#039;t include at least Chapter 4 they will have even more problems with defections.

In the end, I want SW:TOR to succeed, but I&#039;m not really clear on how they are going to get there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the people they targeted with the free month, and I&#8217;m really not thrilled by it.  Yes, I appreciate the effort but I&#8217;m not convinced that in two weeks, when the new dailies have been milked for all they can provide, that I&#8217;ll have any reason to log into the game.  Any MMO requires time sinks.  This can be progression raiding, PvP, achievements, reputations, collections, etc.  I&#8217;m a casual PvPer and I&#8217;m not a raider &#8211; people pay me to do PM and SE so I have no interest in it as a hobby.  That&#8217;s not much of a problem in WoW or RIFT, they both have quite a bit to do at level other than raid or do organized PvP.  In fairness to BioWare, this was really the &#8220;here&#8217;s the game we wanted to launch but EA wouldn&#8217;t give us time&#8221; patch but they still need to address the structural weakness.</p>
<p>In SW:TOR there is no reputation to grind, no collections, not much in the way of achievements, and no real daily structure.  Yes, there are dailies on three planets but if you are at all organized you&#8217;ve gained all they have to offer in a few weeks &#8211; assuming Corellia follows the pattern of Belsavis and Illum.  How long did it take to complete the Firelands dailies, or even to grind your faction in the Twilight Highlands to max to gain the gear?  I don&#8217;t see much reason to run the Flashpoints, unless you enjoy that run or are helping a guildmate, once you have the drops as you aren&#8217;t grinding points to purchase better gear as in WoW or RIFT.  And money isn&#8217;t an issue.  Ignoring the GTN my main had 2M credits when he hit 50 &#8211; space missions are high profit.  It feels like I&#8217;m in a tiny sandbox in the middle of a theme park.  The game is clearly designed to lead players though content, until 50 when it&#8217;s telling you to find something to do.</p>
<p>What sold many people on SW:TOR was story.  That is expensive and very rapidly consumed in an MMO.  It may also become, I think, a noose for BioWare.  Having been a GM in tabletop RPGs since the early &#8217;80s I have to admit that I was shaking my head in dismay when my Inquisitor became a member of the Dark Council.  Where are they going to go from here?  I&#8217;m one of the 12 most powerful people in the Empire.  I have fleets and armies at my disposal.  Why am I going to accept some insignificant planetary governor giving me lip?  They may surprise me, but I&#8217;m not going to hold my breath until 1.3 is announced &#8211; and if this doesn&#8217;t include at least Chapter 4 they will have even more problems with defections.</p>
<p>In the end, I want SW:TOR to succeed, but I&#8217;m not really clear on how they are going to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this may sound selfish and all, but honestly?  if they are rewarding their loyal valued customers, they SHOULD have extended the free 30 day offer to launch accounts that are still active.  right now, it doesn&#039;t relaly look like its a gift for valued customers but rather an attempt to inflate subscriptions by insetivizing people who quit, to come back.

my highest level character is 44.  i play on several servers and both empire and republic (thanks, friends for deciding to split up &gt;_&gt; ) so I&#039;ve been splitting my time when I play between them.  I preordered.  I have a digital deluxe upgrade.  I was originaly subscribed for 3 month increment payments.  but I guess I&#039;m not a valuable customer, becasue I was playing my way.

that&#039;s nice to know.

I don&#039;t have a problem with free stuff that I personaly may not be eligible for.  but once again, the way EA presented that free stuff?  to quote Mordin, implications unpleasant]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this may sound selfish and all, but honestly?  if they are rewarding their loyal valued customers, they SHOULD have extended the free 30 day offer to launch accounts that are still active.  right now, it doesn&#8217;t relaly look like its a gift for valued customers but rather an attempt to inflate subscriptions by insetivizing people who quit, to come back.</p>
<p>my highest level character is 44.  i play on several servers and both empire and republic (thanks, friends for deciding to split up &gt;_&gt; ) so I&#8217;ve been splitting my time when I play between them.  I preordered.  I have a digital deluxe upgrade.  I was originaly subscribed for 3 month increment payments.  but I guess I&#8217;m not a valuable customer, becasue I was playing my way.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s nice to know.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with free stuff that I personaly may not be eligible for.  but once again, the way EA presented that free stuff?  to quote Mordin, implications unpleasant</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand how it might come across as a message that you&#039;re less valued. I really don&#039;t think that&#039;s the intention but yeah, money talks.

But at the same time, we know for sure that lots of people quit themepark MMOs after hitting max level, that the pace of an MMO changes after hitting max level, and also that current endgame needs active level 50s to participate so that the ops/ hard modes/ warzones/ open PvP can function at all. So I can see why they&#039;d feel that was the area to target and this was a good time to do it. It is interesting that they&#039;d want to do this in addition to the new op/flashpoint/ warzone and the legacy stuff though.

I&#039;ve also seen arguments that it is intended to soften the blow to the PvP fans of having rated warzones taken out at the last minute. One thing I suppose from giving out bonuses to 50s now is that you know you are targeting players who liked the game enough to finish it on at least one character. I can see the logic, I don&#039;t know if it was a good thing to do. It won&#039;t surprise me if they do decide to extend it to all launch accounts or somesuch. We&#039;ll see I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand how it might come across as a message that you&#8217;re less valued. I really don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the intention but yeah, money talks.</p>
<p>But at the same time, we know for sure that lots of people quit themepark MMOs after hitting max level, that the pace of an MMO changes after hitting max level, and also that current endgame needs active level 50s to participate so that the ops/ hard modes/ warzones/ open PvP can function at all. So I can see why they&#8217;d feel that was the area to target and this was a good time to do it. It is interesting that they&#8217;d want to do this in addition to the new op/flashpoint/ warzone and the legacy stuff though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen arguments that it is intended to soften the blow to the PvP fans of having rated warzones taken out at the last minute. One thing I suppose from giving out bonuses to 50s now is that you know you are targeting players who liked the game enough to finish it on at least one character. I can see the logic, I don&#8217;t know if it was a good thing to do. It won&#8217;t surprise me if they do decide to extend it to all launch accounts or somesuch. We&#8217;ll see I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am also among those &quot;butt-hurt&quot; by being told I am not so valuable a customer, even though I have played far more days than I haven&#039;t in my solid 4-month subscription. Maybe it&#039;s only 15 bucks or so, but I&#039;m certainly not one of those that raced to 50, bitched about lack of end-game, and dropped out, only to come back right before the patch. Hell yeah, I&#039;m upset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also among those &#8220;butt-hurt&#8221; by being told I am not so valuable a customer, even though I have played far more days than I haven&#8217;t in my solid 4-month subscription. Maybe it&#8217;s only 15 bucks or so, but I&#8217;m certainly not one of those that raced to 50, bitched about lack of end-game, and dropped out, only to come back right before the patch. Hell yeah, I&#8217;m upset.</p>
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