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		<title>By: Fn0</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19614</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many people who have quit playing MMO and are still looking into a MMO they like to play.

GW2, lacking subscription and containing fluent questing makes the game very casual friendly. Many casual players have quit the subscription-based MMOs because they could not keep up with the grind, nor play enough to warrant their sub.

Me, I am pretty tired with the grind, and if I enjoy GW2 so much I may not play (much) MoP because I know MoP will be another grindfest to keep people busy in the game. That is how good subscription-based games work.

Keep in mind patch 4.3 was much more casual-friendly than Cataclysm 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2. This patch was released 3 weeks before SWTOR was released.

I don&#039;t expect game companies to release their games within a short time (2-3 weeks) of each other and I don&#039;t expect MoP to be ready in a few weeks so I expect MoP to come in october. As for the state of MoP we&#039;re currently raid testing, final balancing, and the 5.0.1 patch containing the MoP changes in Cata as well as the pre-event will soon be tested on PTR.

Given the Maya prophecy I&#039;d find it ironic if Blizzard would release MoP on that date and end the Cataclysm there. I always found the name of expansion quite ironic in that light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many people who have quit playing MMO and are still looking into a MMO they like to play.</p>
<p>GW2, lacking subscription and containing fluent questing makes the game very casual friendly. Many casual players have quit the subscription-based MMOs because they could not keep up with the grind, nor play enough to warrant their sub.</p>
<p>Me, I am pretty tired with the grind, and if I enjoy GW2 so much I may not play (much) MoP because I know MoP will be another grindfest to keep people busy in the game. That is how good subscription-based games work.</p>
<p>Keep in mind patch 4.3 was much more casual-friendly than Cataclysm 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2. This patch was released 3 weeks before SWTOR was released.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect game companies to release their games within a short time (2-3 weeks) of each other and I don&#8217;t expect MoP to be ready in a few weeks so I expect MoP to come in october. As for the state of MoP we&#8217;re currently raid testing, final balancing, and the 5.0.1 patch containing the MoP changes in Cata as well as the pre-event will soon be tested on PTR.</p>
<p>Given the Maya prophecy I&#8217;d find it ironic if Blizzard would release MoP on that date and end the Cataclysm there. I always found the name of expansion quite ironic in that light.</p>
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		<title>By: Zellviren</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zellviren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 13:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blizzard would have wanted a later GW2 release so they could strangle it in the crib - make no mistake about that.  When ArenaNet announced the end of August, I honestly though MoP would ditch something (such as the Tiller&#039;s Farm) and aim for mid-August in order to compete directly.

The fact Blizzard are taking a huge risk in releasing as late as October tells me that they&#039;re either not worried about the competition at all, which would be arrogant, or the bean counters just don&#039;t care about their players.  We were promised that the Icecrown dearth of content would never happen again, yet here we are suffering the same raid starvation.

Only, it&#039;s worse thanks to the smaller number of individual bosses and the fact that Dragon Soul is utter crap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blizzard would have wanted a later GW2 release so they could strangle it in the crib &#8211; make no mistake about that.  When ArenaNet announced the end of August, I honestly though MoP would ditch something (such as the Tiller&#8217;s Farm) and aim for mid-August in order to compete directly.</p>
<p>The fact Blizzard are taking a huge risk in releasing as late as October tells me that they&#8217;re either not worried about the competition at all, which would be arrogant, or the bean counters just don&#8217;t care about their players.  We were promised that the Icecrown dearth of content would never happen again, yet here we are suffering the same raid starvation.</p>
<p>Only, it&#8217;s worse thanks to the smaller number of individual bosses and the fact that Dragon Soul is utter crap.</p>
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		<title>By: carrandas</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19532</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 09:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess would be before Christmas, although TBC was released in January.

And I honestly don&#039;t think that WoW has much competition from GW2. I&#039;ll probably just pick up both and spend a month or two with both of the games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess would be before Christmas, although TBC was released in January.</p>
<p>And I honestly don&#8217;t think that WoW has much competition from GW2. I&#8217;ll probably just pick up both and spend a month or two with both of the games.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is Blogless</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is Blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 01:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s also worth remembering how big WoW still is. It can afford to take it&#039;s time with MoP because WoW doesn&#039;t release around other games, other games release around WoW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth remembering how big WoW still is. It can afford to take it&#8217;s time with MoP because WoW doesn&#8217;t release around other games, other games release around WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbeard</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Redbeard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 00:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I don&#039;t see any of these games bringing in new gamers to the MMO fold, so the MMOs are left to cannibalize each other.  

This is a situation that may not concern hardcore MMO players, but it should.  MMOs are a niche market --a niche within a niche, really-- and if MMOs are going to grow and get more people into the fold, they need to expand their reach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t see any of these games bringing in new gamers to the MMO fold, so the MMOs are left to cannibalize each other.  </p>
<p>This is a situation that may not concern hardcore MMO players, but it should.  MMOs are a niche market &#8211;a niche within a niche, really&#8211; and if MMOs are going to grow and get more people into the fold, they need to expand their reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19526</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to predict that a common complaint from many PvE-ers will be that &#039;there isn&#039;t enough endgame content&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to predict that a common complaint from many PvE-ers will be that &#8216;there isn&#8217;t enough endgame content&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: melponeme_k</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19523</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve noticed talk around the net that the GW2 release set barely a week before Riders of Rohan was intentional.

I know a lot of gamers like to laugh at LOTRO but it seems it is still some kind of threat if one of the biggest new games of the year is trying to pee on its parade.

The audience isn&#039;t growing for any of these games.  It may have reached the limit, which is why everyone is fighting for the same group of eyeballs.  Players only have so much free time to devote to games even free ones.  And since free games depend on players buying little fancies, it is imperative that they have a dedicated fan base.  Which goes back to LOTRO is direct competition to GW2.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed talk around the net that the GW2 release set barely a week before Riders of Rohan was intentional.</p>
<p>I know a lot of gamers like to laugh at LOTRO but it seems it is still some kind of threat if one of the biggest new games of the year is trying to pee on its parade.</p>
<p>The audience isn&#8217;t growing for any of these games.  It may have reached the limit, which is why everyone is fighting for the same group of eyeballs.  Players only have so much free time to devote to games even free ones.  And since free games depend on players buying little fancies, it is imperative that they have a dedicated fan base.  Which goes back to LOTRO is direct competition to GW2.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19519</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was my thought too, I&#039;m not sure how many players aren&#039;t really gung ho any more about the WoW raid model, or are on the fence about MoP anyway. I think the similarities to WoW are much greater than the differences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my thought too, I&#8217;m not sure how many players aren&#8217;t really gung ho any more about the WoW raid model, or are on the fence about MoP anyway. I think the similarities to WoW are much greater than the differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Kring</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19518</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kring]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet many people don&#039;t rain in WoW (and therefore don&#039;t get showered in raid epics). Might not be so different after all if you look how and for what those people play the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet many people don&#8217;t rain in WoW (and therefore don&#8217;t get showered in raid epics). Might not be so different after all if you look how and for what those people play the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Dril</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/06/30/the-release-date-tango/#comment-19512</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think if they go with the latter, it&#039;ll be the last time they do it. I don&#039;t see MoP reversing WoW&#039;s decline (like Spinks I&#039;m inclined to agree that Wrath, specifically pre-ToC, was WoW at its very best) whenever it&#039;s released, and I don&#039;t see the Activision side of the business letting Blizz get away with it any longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if they go with the latter, it&#8217;ll be the last time they do it. I don&#8217;t see MoP reversing WoW&#8217;s decline (like Spinks I&#8217;m inclined to agree that Wrath, specifically pre-ToC, was WoW at its very best) whenever it&#8217;s released, and I don&#8217;t see the Activision side of the business letting Blizz get away with it any longer.</p>
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