Comments on: [WoW] Bits and pieces about MoP: Future of raiding, dailies all the way down, pay for more powerful pets

By: kiantremayne

kiantremayne — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:17:25 +0000

I suppose the question is how many people asked for a portion of beef but then choked because their tender digestive systems could only cope with chicken before their dinner’s enrage timer ran out? And should the chefs have served up very rare beef that only suited hardcore carnivores, or should they be cooking their dinners medium – less flavour perhaps, but a flavour that more can enjoy?

Enough with the food allegories anyway – it’s making me hungry.

By: spinks

spinks — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:06:04 +0000

I still think that’s better than “you can theoretically have chicken or beef but beef is off the menu.”

By: Simon Jones who is Blogless

Simon Jones who is Blogless — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:30:59 +0000

They tended to do it because 25 man raiding was ‘Real Raiding’. The choice between 25 and 10 man raiding in WotLK was on the surface a choice between beef and chicken. But if you chose chicken you were then told you got to sit in a smaller room, got smaller portions and had to eat it off the floor. Also occasionally the people eating beef got to come in, mock you with their larger portions and grab some chicken if they wanted that as well. Then you’d get asked again if you wanted beef or chicke and most people would choose beef, for some reason.

By: Asmiroth

Asmiroth — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:51:04 +0000

This is further exacerbated by the dwindling populations on most servers of people with simply the availability requirements that a 25 man needs to organize. LFR works because it eliminates the organization issue (not the leading issue mind you).

WoW’s biggest hurdle right now is the blockade between servers. If a mega-server architecture could be put in, then you’d have a larger pool of players to do 25 mans with.

Sometimes you only need 1 more person and that person simply does not exist on your server. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist on the 100s of other servers.

By: spinks

spinks — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:22:13 +0000

Even so, if people hated 25s they wouldn’t have done it.

By: Paul

Paul — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:21:04 +0000

25 man flourished in Wrath because that was where the best loot was.

By: Kring

Kring — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:20:35 +0000

I don’t think you had this kind of choice. 10 mans were substantially easier and rewarded worse gear. They attracted a different crowd and/or play style then the 25 man raids.

The choice for 10 man vs 25 man was never made based on the size in WotLK. It was made only based on how much you were willing to invest (time, wipes, preparation).

By: spinks

spinks — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:08:44 +0000

It also had more flexible raid locks. This and the gear difference ultimately meant that people had a greater choice of raid guilds and so people who did prefer 25 man and weren’t hardcore could find guilds to run them with.

By: Kring

Kring — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:11:20 +0000

No, probably not. My comment was about the “oh my god, 25 man are dying” attitude we read everywhere since they put 10 man loot on par with 25 man. So what? 40 man raids are dead to and I never felt that a 25 man was as epic as 40 man.

In my eyes the best thing would be to replace 25 man with 40 man raids. To me, 40 man felt like a raid, 25 man feel like a big group.

By: Kring

Kring — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:05:15 +0000

You can’t compare Wrath because it had different item level for 10 and 25 man.