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	<title>Comments on: [TSW, SWTOR, WoW, CK2] Well, it&#8217;s certainly been a week.</title>
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		<title>By: Cry of the Ravens &#124; Welshtroll</title>
		<link>http://spinksville.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/tsw-swtor-wow-ck2-well-its-certainly-been-a-week/#comment-20795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cry of the Ravens &#124; Welshtroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the real life gamer reviews in my RSS feeds have been fair even by those players who have decide not to purchase the game at this time and those who never will, but that leads me nicely into my next [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the real life gamer reviews in my RSS feeds have been fair even by those players who have decide not to purchase the game at this time and those who never will, but that leads me nicely into my next [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the offer, Zell. It would be fun to hang out sometime. 

Some of my guildies did take me through the first of the latest instances, and I accidentally got into another when I thought I&#039;d queued for &#039;Cataclysm heroics&#039; and it threw me into one of the new ones instead. So although it was a bit of a trial by fire, I&#039;m actually feeling a bit braver about LFG at the moment.

There are a ton of encounters to remember in 5 man instances though, if you consider all of them. It&#039;s a wonder any of us can, let alone people who haven&#039;t been playing for awhile ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the offer, Zell. It would be fun to hang out sometime. </p>
<p>Some of my guildies did take me through the first of the latest instances, and I accidentally got into another when I thought I&#8217;d queued for &#8216;Cataclysm heroics&#8217; and it threw me into one of the new ones instead. So although it was a bit of a trial by fire, I&#8217;m actually feeling a bit braver about LFG at the moment.</p>
<p>There are a ton of encounters to remember in 5 man instances though, if you consider all of them. It&#8217;s a wonder any of us can, let alone people who haven&#8217;t been playing for awhile <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zellviren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zellviren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Truthfully, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s &quot;bads&quot; in LFD/LFR who are the problem necessarily - I&#039;m more inclined to think that new players or those with lesser skill actually want to learn, and my experience seems to mete this out.  The problem is the self-entitled asswipes who think they&#039;re better at the game than they really are.

Send me your RealID and I&#039;ll give you a good grouping experience. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthfully, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s &#8220;bads&#8221; in LFD/LFR who are the problem necessarily &#8211; I&#8217;m more inclined to think that new players or those with lesser skill actually want to learn, and my experience seems to mete this out.  The problem is the self-entitled asswipes who think they&#8217;re better at the game than they really are.</p>
<p>Send me your RealID and I&#8217;ll give you a good grouping experience. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Spinks
&quot;So if you give people the option to get tokens via solo daily quests, a lot of players will prefer that to having to group with randoms.&quot;

This is where MoP is headed.  VP for dailies, dungeons and challenge modes.  Different mixes of solo, group and elite group play. I think is a better solution.  Design the game so people will accomplish their goals doing something they are in the mood for, rather than forcing everyone to accomplish their goals in a way they either don&#039;t like or are burned out on.

So now instead of just kicking horrible players, we can tell them to &quot;go back to doing dailies&quot; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Spinks<br />
&#8220;So if you give people the option to get tokens via solo daily quests, a lot of players will prefer that to having to group with randoms.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is where MoP is headed.  VP for dailies, dungeons and challenge modes.  Different mixes of solo, group and elite group play. I think is a better solution.  Design the game so people will accomplish their goals doing something they are in the mood for, rather than forcing everyone to accomplish their goals in a way they either don&#8217;t like or are burned out on.</p>
<p>So now instead of just kicking horrible players, we can tell them to &#8220;go back to doing dailies&#8221; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 03:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The combat in TSW is extremely mediocre. Everything else is great, imo. I tried it during this past &#039;free weekend event&#039; and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, given that the setting really isn&#039;t my thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The combat in TSW is extremely mediocre. Everything else is great, imo. I tried it during this past &#8216;free weekend event&#8217; and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, given that the setting really isn&#8217;t my thing.</p>
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		<title>By: spinks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spinks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 20:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trouble is that you get to a point where most of your friends list either like the ease of LFG (so they&#039;ve already done their dailies by the time you ask), are busy with alts (extra points if they always want to bring really undergeared alts instead of their competent characters), or are burned out. You need a critical mass of people who prefer using friend lists to make this work, and that seems hard to make. It&#039;s also much harder to build a friend list when you don&#039;t see the same people all the time. You could stand in a capital city and call out for people, true. Or you could just skip the whole thing.

I do think it would be easier without cross server queues, and I also think LFG never used to be this bad so things do seem to have gotten worse, to me.  

Will keep experimenting over the week, if I have the mental fortitude. Talking about more or less skilled I think obscures the issue, people a) would prefer not to group on content they&#039;re already bored with (and especially not to teach people they consider beneath them) and b) want to get their daily tokens as fast as possible. So if you give people the option to get tokens via solo daily quests, a lot of players (both skilled and less so) will prefer that to having to group with randoms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trouble is that you get to a point where most of your friends list either like the ease of LFG (so they&#8217;ve already done their dailies by the time you ask), are busy with alts (extra points if they always want to bring really undergeared alts instead of their competent characters), or are burned out. You need a critical mass of people who prefer using friend lists to make this work, and that seems hard to make. It&#8217;s also much harder to build a friend list when you don&#8217;t see the same people all the time. You could stand in a capital city and call out for people, true. Or you could just skip the whole thing.</p>
<p>I do think it would be easier without cross server queues, and I also think LFG never used to be this bad so things do seem to have gotten worse, to me.  </p>
<p>Will keep experimenting over the week, if I have the mental fortitude. Talking about more or less skilled I think obscures the issue, people a) would prefer not to group on content they&#8217;re already bored with (and especially not to teach people they consider beneath them) and b) want to get their daily tokens as fast as possible. So if you give people the option to get tokens via solo daily quests, a lot of players (both skilled and less so) will prefer that to having to group with randoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With WoW, I&#039;d rather the community grow a spine and enforce their own policies, since different players have different priorities.  Purely random PuGs are the problem.  You can still use LFD, but the more people you leave to a roll of the dice, the worse it can be.  And completely or partially forming a group yourself is a great way to build your friend&#039;s list.  if you take the easy way out, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Perhaps giving very skilled people stuff to do like Challenge modes, or less skilled people interesting alternatives to LFD like scenarios, farming and pet battles will improve the quality of random PuGs.  We&#039;ll have to see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With WoW, I&#8217;d rather the community grow a spine and enforce their own policies, since different players have different priorities.  Purely random PuGs are the problem.  You can still use LFD, but the more people you leave to a roll of the dice, the worse it can be.  And completely or partially forming a group yourself is a great way to build your friend&#8217;s list.  if you take the easy way out, be prepared to deal with the consequences.</p>
<p>Perhaps giving very skilled people stuff to do like Challenge modes, or less skilled people interesting alternatives to LFD like scenarios, farming and pet battles will improve the quality of random PuGs.  We&#8217;ll have to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Samus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some help with CK2, I suggest this guide, which is one of the best guides I&#039;ve found for any game:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?589469-GUIDE-In-depth-Guide-to-CKII

You will need to register your game with Paradox to view it, if you haven&#039;t already done so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some help with CK2, I suggest this guide, which is one of the best guides I&#8217;ve found for any game:</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?589469-GUIDE-In-depth-Guide-to-CKII" rel="nofollow">http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?589469-GUIDE-In-depth-Guide-to-CKII</a></p>
<p>You will need to register your game with Paradox to view it, if you haven&#8217;t already done so.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is Blogless</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Jones who is Blogless]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked The Secret World quite a bit but there is no reason at all on any level for that to be a MMO. Even more than SWTOR it feels like it&#039;s intruding on my single player experience. 

Also, Everyone is Rogues. Which given that even the WoW devs admit combo/energy is their best designed class mechanic I&#039;m suprised more people haven&#039;t ripped it off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked The Secret World quite a bit but there is no reason at all on any level for that to be a MMO. Even more than SWTOR it feels like it&#8217;s intruding on my single player experience. </p>
<p>Also, Everyone is Rogues. Which given that even the WoW devs admit combo/energy is their best designed class mechanic I&#8217;m suprised more people haven&#8217;t ripped it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Doone W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doone W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 01:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Youre so right about that feeling of disconnect in TSW! I hadn&#039;t really been able to put my finger on it these past 2 weeks, but I think I agree with you: the combat just somehow doesn&#039;t fit AT ALL with the core gameplay. Yet the game is extremely well done and is quite possibly the best questing MMO out there right now. Great voice acting ...the game is a winner dispite it all. I just hope something can be done in the future to connect the disparate parts of gameplay. Id be content to never have to do a fight in a game like TSW, because the world and gameplay lends it self to player roles outside of that. Puzzlers and killers alike should be able to choose their playstyle and not be forced into either.

The last time I was in WoW, I felt a little bit sad about the state of the game. I logged in and my toon was in Ironforge. I almost immediately had flashbacks of a large crowd of dungeon crawlers standing outside the bank, preparing to go to Blackrock Mountain. I rode to the military district and could almost see the crowds of fighters awaiting their turn for combat in battlegrounds. Heading to the League&#039;s Library I could almost see roleplayers crowding the various shelves and tables, speaking about lore, making up adventures.

*sigh* The game wasnt all that populated so I didnt see that many players (it wasnt empty, mind you, but it wasn&#039;t buzzing). I think all the hub bub is in SW these days. Anyway, great summaries here. You completely nailed the feelings I have about at least these 2 games this week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre so right about that feeling of disconnect in TSW! I hadn&#8217;t really been able to put my finger on it these past 2 weeks, but I think I agree with you: the combat just somehow doesn&#8217;t fit AT ALL with the core gameplay. Yet the game is extremely well done and is quite possibly the best questing MMO out there right now. Great voice acting &#8230;the game is a winner dispite it all. I just hope something can be done in the future to connect the disparate parts of gameplay. Id be content to never have to do a fight in a game like TSW, because the world and gameplay lends it self to player roles outside of that. Puzzlers and killers alike should be able to choose their playstyle and not be forced into either.</p>
<p>The last time I was in WoW, I felt a little bit sad about the state of the game. I logged in and my toon was in Ironforge. I almost immediately had flashbacks of a large crowd of dungeon crawlers standing outside the bank, preparing to go to Blackrock Mountain. I rode to the military district and could almost see the crowds of fighters awaiting their turn for combat in battlegrounds. Heading to the League&#8217;s Library I could almost see roleplayers crowding the various shelves and tables, speaking about lore, making up adventures.</p>
<p>*sigh* The game wasnt all that populated so I didnt see that many players (it wasnt empty, mind you, but it wasn&#8217;t buzzing). I think all the hub bub is in SW these days. Anyway, great summaries here. You completely nailed the feelings I have about at least these 2 games this week.</p>
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