Comments on: [WoW] In which I predict shortages of tanks and healers for MoP instances

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:10:45 +0000

Playing MoP, I see the quest rewards are mostly “just for your spec” (there are exceptions), but one can change spec before turning in the quest to change the reward. Awkward, I know.

By: spinks

spinks — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:41:12 +0000

That was from Grumpy Elf’s post, which I assume is based on his experiences in beta.

By: Paul

Paul — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 00:12:00 +0000

Even with the edit: where does the linked article say Quest rewards will be tailored by spec. It says the system will only apply to LFR and world bosses.

By: spinks

spinks — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:26:14 +0000

I hear you, but I am wondering how that was different from LFG in instances. I suppose instances drop more loot in general.

By: Salanna

Salanna — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:42:37 +0000

From the player POV at least, the new system is as simple as it gets. Kill boss, maybe get loot. A 100% token system would be a grind.

By: Salanna

Salanna — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:40:10 +0000

It was needed in LFR. Bear in mind that gearing up in regular raids is a sort of queue – if three of us are after the leather intellect belt, you can be fairly sure you’ll get it by the time the third one drops. LFR prior to the patch, though, was more like a pot luck: maybe your loot will drop and maybe you’ll roll high enough this time; and if you don’t, same again next week (because you’ll probably have 24 totally different people in the group.)

However, player expectations for loot in LFR were more aligned with normal raids, so it got pretty ugly when people started arguing with each other over who needed loot more – and, worse, when people would need on an item early in the instance with the hope of swapping it for a different item later in the run. This change basically codifies LFR as the pot luck of loot that it was, and removes the ability to cheese the system like that.

It’s already the case that gearing up a non-raiding spec in LFR was quite difficult because of the “Need Plus” system: you’d only ever get an item if no one at all rolled need (unless you got lucky with items that slipped between the cracks of Need Plus – and that’s a flaw of the old system.)

The quest reward change is a different setup, imho, and I see a bunch of ways to work around it. As well as the vendors and switching spec for handin, ISTR that the end-of-chain quests with the nice blue rewards will still offer a choice.

By: Daraxis

Daraxis — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:51:08 +0000

Nevermind, I just noticed your edit.

By: Daraxis

Daraxis — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:49:29 +0000

Correct me if I’m wrong but that system only applies to Raider Finder. Loot in dungeons and scenarios will work the same way they do currently.

In Raid Finder it’s awesome. You wouldn’t believe the loot drama that happens when 25 people roll on four items.

By: spinks

spinks — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:38:59 +0000

Yeah, I was wondering whether this was really something that needed to be fixed. But I guess maybe those LFR groups were getting irate about how to dole out the gear, is all I can guess.

By: rimecat

rimecat — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:38:09 +0000

You are probably correct. I’ll also predict that, despite the nostalgia for TBC gear-up and gate runs, that the forums will explode with people complaining about having to run ‘old content’ to gear a guildmate.