This week, Arbitrary and I were determined to get our dragon ladies to level 20. I’m not sure if level 20 means anything really significant in EQ2 but when we first created the characters, we were given a quest that gave out a title if you made 20 within a limited amount of time. So it seemed like a good waypoint.
In practice, with the various levelling bonuses and recruit-a-friend bonuses, the actual levelling side was very quick and easy. And since we’d paused at around level 18 last week (OK, maybe we did sneak an extra session in over the weekend) we knew it wasn’t going to be overly traumatic to pick up the last two levels.
Gorowyn: City of Falling off Ledges
Gorowyn is the Sarnak city, and we’d wound up near one of the entrances so it seemed a shame not to go and explore. It is built inside a huge cave with different tiers of the city on ledges. You get around using lifts and pulleys and moving gondola-type things.
It wasn’t really a very convincing city. Seemed more like one of each sort of ‘necessary’ NPC (ie. class trainers, profession trainers, vendors, quest people, guards) laid out in standard pattern. And a pub, which I liked. I just think it lacks any sense that NPCs actually live there, and I wasn’t picking up much of a racial flavour to it either.
One thing we did like was that when you talk to the guards, you can ask directions to people by name. So if you are looking for a quest NPC, you can type in their name and the guard will illuminate a glowy trail leading you towards them.
There was also a certain amount of falling off ledges. I’ll come back to this as it seems to be a theme in EQ2 cities.
How are the dragons shaping up?
After our brief encounter with dragon civilisation, we decided to go on to the next quest hub and do what we do best – mass genocide.
Now when we created these characters, we picked them because we thought they looked cool. We noted that Sarnak were listed as evil (races in EQ2 are divided into good races, evil races, and neutral ones) but in the starting area we hadn’t seen much evidence of this. Sure, we were wandering around and decimating the local ecology but that’s just what characters do in these games, right? I hadn’t seen anything that tipped the Sarnak onto the evil side of the scale.
I think our genocide expeditions, where we were sent out to exterminate the opposing race via slaughter, biological warfare, and starving them to death kind of righted the balance on that one. I was almost disappointed when one of the NPCs stopped us and told us to go back to the city for more orders but it turned out to be OK. We were just being asked to halt the genocide because our dragon lords had decided these bird guys might (just might) be more useful alive.
I do like the writing so far. The quest NPCs don’t come across as being stupid, and don’t treat you as if you were stupid. It’s all very businesslike.
This particular quest hub was much more old school than the previous one. You know the setup where there’s a load of mobs out in the field, and a quest hub. And you get sent out to the same place on five different occasions, each time going a little bit further into the mob area, until finally you get to kill a named mob and they let you move somewhere more interesting?
It was that.
So at level 20, I’m quite liking the Fury. I’m not loving it, but there’s an element of ‘been there, seen that’ involved. Also, it’s a bit off-putting that anytime anyone asks in trade chat what classes are good, everyone tells them to play a Fury. I’m also figuring out roughly how the buffs work – I think buffing characters have a concentration stat that controls how many buffs you can have active at any time. Some of the buffs are more like auras (ie. you put them up, they stay up until you cancel them, and they affect your whole group), others are timed buffs that need to be recast. There’s a runspeed group buff which has been a particular favourite.
I also get my first shapeshift at level 20. I can turn into a lioness. Rar! It’s a form with some melee combat bonuses (hadn’t thought the Fury was a melee class but what do I know) and more amusingly you can also cast spells in lion form and it has a silly cast animation.
I was amused that on one occasion, Arb ran in somewhere and pulled a ton of mobs by accident (or so she claimed!), I was healing, it was all a bit chaotic. When it calmed down we looked around and noticed that we were still alive and the mobs weren’t.
And I was like, “I don’t think my heals are all that good.” *facepalm* They’re fine, evidently.
She’s not all that thrilled with the Shadowknight, and part of that is not really grooving on the look of the class. At level 20, I look way better in my leathers than she does in her plate, and that’s not really inspiring. It may be that high level plate looks better but it’s hard to say from where we are now.
Checking out other classes
So the dragon duo was working well, we’d seen the dragon city and killed lots of stuff. But somehow we didn’t really love the characters. It seemed a good time to explore alternatives. EQ2 has tons of classes, and it was easy to make a list of other options that we both thought were interesting. Then we had to figure out which combination could end up with the same faction and starting area.
I am very impressed with at least one aspect of the class design. It feels as though you can get a good sense for how a class plays from very early on. I’m not sure if it’s an accurate sense but from scanning forums and talking to people, I think it could be. So the Fury is a healer/nuker with lots of buffs who relies heavily on DoTs/HoTs. The Shadowknight is a solid AE tank with some magical effects and buffs thrown in.
The next combination we decided to try out was Monk (unarmed fighter, it is tankish in nature but not really, if that makes sense) and Dirge (rogue type support class with lots of buffs). Both these classes are further in concept from types we have played before, which is part of the appeal I think.
Arb is still keen to try tanking, but hated the look of the plate armour. So the Monk, with its cool animations and ability names seemed like a good fit. I was bored of casting and wanted to hit stuff – didn’t really fancy the Warden so I picked on one of the other melee support classes.
The Dirge does remind me a bit of my burglar in LOTRO although I think I prefer the Dirge so far. You get to move around a lot in combat, and there are positional attacks and various stuns and debuffs that are set off by your melee moves. In addition, it has a ton of useful buffs. So more of a buffing than a debuffing class I think. Not sure how much of a problem it will be to not have a healer but there’s only two of us and not a full group, and the Dirge’s melee-oriented buffs might work out well.
We ended up picking Fae for our race which meant we got to check out the Fae starting area. I think Fae as a race may be a bit thick. They name their local landmarks things like ‘Drippy Cave’ and ‘Orc Hill’ and the NPCs act like idiots. I suspect the writers were going for a childlike gleeful view on life. We rolled our eyes and got on with it.
The best thing about playing Fae is the wings, which look awesome and also mean that when you (inevitably) fall off ledges, you actually glide gently to the ground instead of crashing down like a brick.
We did notice that this duo was more fragile than the tank/healer combo, but that just meant that we had to be more careful with the pulls. Drippy Cave (I can’t believe I walked into a place called Drippy Cave) was a trial by fire. We picked ourselves up and went back there about three times before perseverance and ‘not acting like bloodcrazed lunatics’ won out and we finally cleared our quests there.
I’m finding the area much more charming than the dragon starting area. I’m sure this is intentional but the introduction to the Fae city is also simply more engaging than the dragon equivalent.
So what’s next?
I think the aim now will be to get the Fae alts to 20 also and then decide which we feel like playing. The nice thing about playing as a duo is that we don’t feel any pressure to hurry to endgame so it doesn’t really matter if we futz around at low levels and try to work out what we want to play.
I still haven’t had much of a chance to look at tradeskills or the EQ2 cardgame, both of which I’m curious to try.
One thing I do feel about the game is that they throw a lot of complexity at you deliberately. There are mechanics which are simply more awkward than they need to be. The skill system is one of them. As I understand it, you get to learn two versions of every spell – and they’re both on the same cooldown. You can upgrade them separately so every time you either go up a level or upgrade a spell, you’re supposed to check your spellbook to make sure you have the current best version of everything on your hotbar. But I could be entirely wrong, there’s just a lot going on that I don’t really comprehend.
I’m thinking that they’re aiming at players who love the idea of being thrown into an incomprehensible world and trying to figure it out. And I say this with no irony intended. It is quite an engrossing experience and a lot of players adore the challenge of complexity.
It just feels very … old school sometimes.
EQ-anything, old school? Perish the thought! 😀
Combat arts and spells are sort of like in WoW (especially now that they’ve streamlined names) — you’ll get Rock On at level 3, and then around level 15-17 you’ll get Rock On More. Well, it used to be Rock On and Rocketh Onward, and now it’s just Rock On I, II, III like in WoW, but hopefully you get the drift. This you probably already knew.
Something you’ll see a LOT with the bard classes is single-target offensive spells/arts (red background), encounter-targeted spells (all “linked” mobs in a given fight, green background), AOE arts/spells (blue background) and… I think that’s it for offensive stuff. So you may have Hit With Mandolin and Smite with Mandolin — one’s red and only hits one opponent, while the other is green and will hit all 3 linked mobs you may have pulled. The nice thing about encounter-target arts is that they’re sort of like AOEs without the nasty spillover of pulling everything else that may be standing there.
My own Dirge is only 30-ish, but I’ve already noticed that arts with the same icon just on a different background don’t necessarily do the same thing. That’s a pain in the arse, and I wish they’d been a little more inventive with the icon art, but I’m getting there. It takes a while, but the debuff part of the dirge arsenal does start to show up eventually.
It’s weird not having healing sometimes, but you just pick yourself up and start again. The upside is you kill pretty quickly and the skin-of-your-teeth fights are fun. 😀
Oh, and buffs — group buffs on purple backgrounds, single-target buffs on orange backgrounds, self-buffs on yellowish-green backgrounds. Some buffs require a concentration slot, some don’t, but one of the choices you’ll have to make as a bard is which buffs to use in what situations, because you’ll have a ton of them before you can say “where’s my extra hotbars?”
One thing I did that helped was change to tooltip options (OPtions, User Interface (I think), Tooltips) so that the hotbar tooltips show a lot more text than the basic setup — including concentration slots, if any.
I’d best stop before this becomes longer than the original post! 😉
Sounds like fun.
I recall there was an Armour Quest at 20, an interesting and fairly tough chain that got you a very spiffy set of class armour. It may even look a bit better than what you have on.
Don’t forget to use your appearance slots. If Arbitrary prefers leather she can just stick leather in her appearance slots and wear plate underneath. Bit goofy thinking about wearing all that on a hot day but them’s the game mechanics.
Glad you’re enjoying your EQ2 experience. I stick by my claims that it’s the best MMORPG available at the moment although it certainly isn’t the more user friendly at times.
In terms of spells, I’ll explain how it works – essentially every spell and ability has ranks. They recently updated this in the last patch to try and make it less confusing but it’s still not very simple. The ranks are Apprentice, Journeyman, Adept, Expert, Master, and Grandmaster. So, you can upgrade your level 10 attack to Master rank and increase it’s power (you upgrade spells by using NPC dropped and player made books). Apprentice rank is the weakest, Adept is average and most people – at higher levels – will upgrade everything to have Expert or Master.
Spell ranks are different from spell levels. Again, this just got changed last week. Every 14 levels you get a new version of a spell i.e. Kick I, Kick II, Kick III, Kick IV etc.
The way it *should* work is that even the lowest rank version of a new spell is more powerful than the highest rank of the pervious version i.e. Apprentice Kick IV should be equal or better than Grandmaster Kick III. It doesn’t always work that way though which is why it’s complicated!!
Generally speaking you can just stick the highest version of spell on your hotbar and upgrade it’s rank. Don’t worry about constantly checking your spell book.
If you want any help with anything please feel free to send me an email (contact form on my website). Good luck with it all!
I love my Fae Dirge dearly – you get runspeed buffs, and various melee buffs that will go even further since Arb is playing melee. I think Arb will eventually get invisibility too, which will allow both of you to sneak around. I was actually going to recommend that you try Dirge+melee, but you’d sounded happy with the Sarnaks. And yes, the Dirge is primarily a buff class, though they have debuffs. The Enchanters (Coercer and Illusionist) are more debuff oriented classes.
Also, when your Fae hits level 10, you get to pick a racial tradition that extends your glide hangtime, which is a lot of fun. You get used to jumping off of mountains and gliding all the way down to town (push the space bar to drop more quickly, but remember to release it before you go splat).
Woo! I’ll post my side to the story sometime when I get home. Or maybe tomorrow if I’m bored.
One of the reasons it all feels old school is because it IS old school. 🙂 EQ2 came out before WoW did, back in November 2004.
The game is better than it has ever been, and with all the expansions, adventure packs, and updates, it gets even better. You’ll get used to the oddities that are carry-overs from the dark ages of EQ2’s history.
Thanks for all the comments. Although I may throw out the odd criticism (well, more just observations about how these kind of games have changed), I think we’re both really enjoying EQ2.
My goal, personally, is to learn how to enjoy it for what it is. (As well as an excuse to hang out online with Arb some more).
It’s particularly strange to compare it with a game like Aion which I spent a couple of hours with this weekend also. Despite the gorgeous graphics, streamlined quests, and crafted stories and wings that actually let you fly up as well as down; I do kind of prefer EQ2. It just has more of a feeling of an expansive world. It doesn’t matter if we set our own pace or go off to explore other alts in a different starting area. I feel, oddly, as though I have more control over my game experience.
Having said that, I wasn’t really expecting to unearth dark age oddities from EQ2s past in the Sarnak area because I thought they were a more recent addition?
I’m enjoying your blog, been reading for a few weeks now. I’m currently playing the EQ2 trial at the moment. I played the game for a few months a few years ago, and it seems already like a different experience this time around. I’m playing a dark elf necromancer this time though.
I’m kind of enjoying having to figure things out for once, after being used to much easier games such as WoW. EQ2 is so expansive, and I feel like such a noob just trying to figure out where I’m going. I’m using no add-ons to help with questing (not even sure if they exist). Time will tell if I can stick with it or eventually get tired of it.
I’m also kind of interested in Aion but I am afraid it may be a little too shallow, look forward to reading your experiences with that.
Thanks, and glad you’re enjoying it. (I was put off dark elves permanently by Warhammer Online, they were so pointlessly eeeevil that I just hate them now 🙂 ). I do have some notes on Aion, just need to figure out when to schedule it …
There aren’t any “add-ons” per se to help with questing, but you can type “/browser eq2.wikia.com” to pull up the in-game browser and see the (imo) best quest wiki out there.
If you go to eq2interface.com and choose the “Profit Reborn” ui package, it modifies your quest helper window (upper right corner of the screen by default) to include links that will take you to the wiki, eq2.zam, or even a google search.
If a quest gets overly complex or needs me to find some clicky item in an obscure location, I’m all over the wiki, personally. And imo the Profit UI mod is the best one out there, though a bunch of people also swear by the “Fetish Nightfall” one as well.
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